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m1bandit
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Posted: January/13/2010 at 19:00 |
I'm looking at these two scopes for a low-light calling rifle, Leupold VX-3 3.5-10x40 with the heavy duplex and the Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 with the Z-plex reticle. After
looking through numerous lit reticles I'm leaning towards putting the
money towards some quality glass with a heavy post style reticle. It
seems that most of the illuminated scopes with good glass that I was
looking at were pretty costly and/or had reticles that blocked out
quite a bit of target. I'm just debating whether to go with the Leupy
or the Zeiss. The heavy duplex and z-plex seem pretty similar, just
wondering if anyone has had experience with either scope or reticle in
low light situations.
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lucytuma
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In my view the Conquests Z-Plex is the best plex reticle available, though I don't own any, I truly love the ones I've looked through.
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dls56
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My Zeiss Conquest 3X9 is my best low light scope. I don't have any VX-3's but I do have several VX-II's that are great scopes that quite frankly work well enough for 1/2 hour before sunrise and 1/2 hour past sunset (legal deer hunting hours).
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RONK
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I don't think you'd be unhappy with either.
And I think you are wise to be placing something of a priority on glass quality over illumination. A heavy reticle is icing on the cake.
Also, have you checked out the Laser Designator, and at least considered it for your varmint calling applications?
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lucytuma
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Not to change your mind about a plex reticle, but a #4 reticle is something you should consider also for low light.
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m1bandit
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the laser designator sounds interesting, I've been looking into it but haven't heard many reviews from those who have used them.
I'm sure either scope would be fine, just want to make the right choice since I'm spending that much money. |
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bricat
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Have the Conquest - I love it, gotta say, by far my favorite reticle (Z-Plex). I had a Leupold with the heavy duplex, ended up selling it, I thought that the reticle was a bit too thick and "clumsy looking" - Better glass on the Zeiss.
Edited by bricat - January/13/2010 at 23:13 |
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SVT_Tactical
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What about the firefly reticle on the Bushnell Elites?
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magshooter1
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Have a 3x9 conquest with the #4 reticle. Great in low light. The standard Z-plex stays BLACK all the time. I'd get it over the Hvy. Duplex Leupy.
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SDnailbender
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Leupolds reticle subtension chart in the 2010 catalog shows the heavy reticle covering 1.7" at 3.5X and .6" at 10X. I presume these are at 100yrds.
I have a VX3 1.75-6 with the heavy reticle and it is much heavier than the illustrations show it to be. The one I have would be fine for low light and large animals. I think it would cover a deers chest almost completely at extended ranges even set on 6X.
Mind you I have not hunted with this reticle, but for me I do not know if I will keep it and have the reticle changed, leave it alone or trade it.
I simply mis-applied the scope for my use
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tpcollins
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I just got a Swarovski AV3-9x36 with the 4A reticle and love it. The fine top crosshair gives the illusion in appearance to a spotting scope.
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tahqua
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I was coyote hunting at night recently. I had a 3.5-10x50 Leupold and my brother had a 3-9x50 Conquest with Z-plex. Both of us would have had a hard time making the shot on a snow covered field after dark. We both passed our rifles back and forth and were in agreement on this. There was a slight edge to the Zeiss, but not enough to be a deal breaker.
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cheaptrick
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Conquest.
Didn't like the variable ER on the Leupold, but it was a terrific scope, none the less.
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bagderRed
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I would say the Zplex but then again I never used a Leupold heavy duplex. I would take the Zplex over the regular duplex anytime.
Badger
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m1bandit
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Taqua, that really helps... I hunt the same way quite often and was wondering what the view was like through both scopes over a snowy field at night. I may have to lean towards a Trijicon?
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bagderRed
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I have read ALOT of good things about the trijicon and how good the reticle is for low light. You're right, you should look into this line but... if I'm gonna go for absolute max low light performance with the glass then get ready to spend a few nickels. I'm talking Zeiss Victory, Swaro Z6 and the likes. Fair warning though I never have done the late night coyote hunt. Taqhua and you sound like you're on the same page.
Badger
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tjtjwdad
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I have a VX-3 and a Zeiss Conquest. Optically, they are very close, so I wouldn't let that sway me.
As far as reticles, I would definetly choose the Zeiss. Why? Because they have the "blackest" reticles of the two. In low light you might-not be able to see the fine cross hairs but you can rest assure you can see those heavy duples stadia's and you can bracket the animal with them.
HTH,
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tahqua
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I have to add that my scope was the standard Leo plex and not the heavy. That is what really surprised me, though. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
This also had me thinking what I needed to do with some of my low light/night time rigs. The Trijicon is well liked around here and is supposedly a great scope. My conclusion for my particular after dark rig is the http://swfa.com/Laser-Genetics-ND-3-Laser-Designator-P41090.aspx This device has been getting rave reviews on this forum and will save me some coin I can apply to some other optics. I know it will work because our Surefire weapon lights with red filters do the job. They can spook where as the laser, from accounts here, doesn't. This may give you some leeway in scope selection. We also had some other scoped guns along, so I'll add this. We have to switch to rimfire or scatter gun in MI at night, no centerfire allowed. We were hunting with a 3-12x44 Burris Signature and a Mepta R1 3-10x50. This was during the day and until 1/2 hour after sun set. I had a standard plex and the R1 a 4A. We were hunting ridges above swamps and in varying degrees of light. The R1 is astounding in this regard. It was fast to acquire because of the three plex post design. It was also heavy and easy to see in these conditions. It totally smoked my Burris. This scope appears to be in your general price range, too........ just a thought. Doug |
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bagderRed
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If price is no issue... http://swfa.com/Zeiss-25-10x42-Victory-Varipoint-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P12852.aspx
For my choice anyways, but then again when is price never an issue... hehehe.
Like Tahqua says a 4a type reticle would be ideal in the low light scenarios, not taking anything away from the Meopta.
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tahqua
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Oh yeah, we can really wick it up from there. Both my brother and I have 4A reticles in Kahles 30mm tubed scopes. I also have a Kahles illuminated C-Dot CSX. But, that easily doubles the price on most of these other scopes. All excellent in low light and heavy cover.
Like you say badger, hehehe. It's great spending other peoples money Doug |
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