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utbrowningman
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Posted: January/10/2010 at 23:16 |
Just bought a Savage American Classic 114 .30-06 and now I need a decent scope. Used for deer and elk hunting in Utah. Looking at the Nikon and the Burris. Last time I checked the Nikon was very clear and sharp (when compared side by side with a Leupold). I've always liked Nikon cameras and heard Burris has excellent customer service. What is your opinion?
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jason miller
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You might have trouble getting the Team Primos to fit on that action without some extended rings. I have a similar rifle, and that scope couldn't be mounted far enough back. I still don't have a scope on that rifle, but I think a Bushnell Elite 3-9x40 would work, and I'm almost 100% sure the Buckmasters would work. Problem is, I hardly ever shoot anyway and I can't make up my mind either...
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pyro6999
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here is what the 4200 elite looked like on my .375H&H
i had a team primos on my .264win mag for a bit here is what it looks like. |
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pyro6999
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the buckmaster has a longer tube than the primos and the 4200 elite.
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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jason miller
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That's what I'm talking about- see how much further forward the back of the Primos is? I would have to creep way up on the stock to shoot that. How did it work for you?
Oh, and that .264 is still one beautiful rifle with a great piece of walnut. I'm jealous. |
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pyro6999
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its the factory stock too believe it or not.
the eye relief on the primos is good enough that you really dont need to creep. the 4200 is another story. thats the only thing about the 4200 i dont like, is the short eye relief. but i managed to shot 100 rounds of .375H&H rounds and not get smacked. |
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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jason miller
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Yeah, I've thought of that too. The Burris FFII can be mounted almost as far back as a 4200, which is one of the scoped the original poster mentioned, although the eye relief at higher power is once again pretty low.
As far as the Buckmaster, it's definitely long enough, and is listed as having good eye relief, but it's kind of heavy and I don't know if I'd want to trust it on a .338 mag. |
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pyro6999
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.338?? who said anything about a .338??
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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jason miller
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Sorry, that's what my long action Savage is...
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SVT_Tactical
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I would get the 3200 or 4200 elite being those are recoil tested for that kind of recoil. |
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jason miller
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Also, to the original poster, someone has mentioned on here that the Pentax Pioneer is the same scope as a Burris Fullfield II, except it's considerably cheaper. I can't personally confirm that the internals/lenses/coatings are the same, but the listed specs on here are the same for both scopes and they visually appear to be the same. I've thought of going that route myself also...
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pyro6999
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oh, 10-4 on that. yeah im not sure how much i would trust that scope on a .338 either. i had an old school buckmaster on my 30-06 for a while it worked fine. ive had the fullfield on a .300wsm it was fine. for my hard kickers i use the 4200 elite. and now ive added a vortex viper to try on my H&H.
the ffII is certainly tough, i dont know that is better optically than the others certainly not better than the 4200 in that aspect. |
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They call me "Boots"
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jason miller
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Well, thanks to Koshkin's "inexpensive scope test", we shall soon find out just how the FFII compares to some scopes. Also, his picture of the scopes standing on their objective bells has been helpful in comparing length.
That older Buckmaster used a different tube, correct? Like more in line with the Prostaff/Primos tubes? |
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pyro6999
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right, but it had the Leupold style fast focus if you wanna call it that. i will tell you one that i was fairly impressed with for cheap was the 3x9 vortex diamondback, its only drawback was short eye relief also.
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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jason miller
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Yeah, Koshkin mentioned in his preliminary testing that the Diamondback has good glass, but it's also a tad shorter than a 3200/4200 or FFII.
I hope this isn't too much of a threadjack... |
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ckk1106
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I have both the team primos and the ff II. The primos is brighter and clearer to my eyes. I like the primos better than the FFII, although I did have to use offset bases with the primos. Even with that I'd still take the primos over the FFII.
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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6x42 Leupold FX3 with long range duplex or when it comes out the new 6x42 Super Sniper with tactical knobs to dial in correction for distance.
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biggreen747
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I'm a Burris fan and have owned a number of FFII as well as an original Monarch. Either one should be ok with a .338 but the Monarch (Team Primos) glass is better. I just can't stand Nikon's BDC circles.. If you can deal with the circles go with the Nikon.
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We measure it with a micrometer, mark it with a crayon, and cut it with a chainsaw.
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utbrowningman
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Bought the FFII today at Cabela's and compared it with the Buckmaster. The Buckmaster was brighter and I did like the BDC reticle in the Nikon over the Burris. I went the Buriss since they threw in the binoculars which should be perfect for my 8 year old on his first hunt.
To the poster about offset bases - why are/were they needed? What would cause that?
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Randall45
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