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budperm
Optics Retard
show me your sheep!!
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Posted: January/21/2010 at 11:24 |
Short & Sweet!
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"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson
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cyborg
Optics God
Gaseous Clay
Joined: August/24/2007
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Posted: January/21/2010 at 11:38 |
It seems I'm the late entry in the Big Peter contest. Better late than never.
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SD Dog
Optics Master Extraordinaire
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Posted: January/21/2010 at 11:41 |
Classic
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If nobody ever said anything unless he knew what he was talking about, a ghastly hush would descend upon the earth. AP Herbert
Stupidity & ignorance have been the foundation for many certainties.
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budperm
Optics Retard
show me your sheep!!
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Posted: January/21/2010 at 11:46 |
cyborg wrote:
It seems I'm the late entry in the Big Peter contest. Better late than never.
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Thats what happens when you stop to pose for Man Ass pictures with giggles!
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"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson
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cyborg
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Posted: January/21/2010 at 11:52 |
budperm wrote:
Thats what happens when you stop to pose for Man Ass pictures with giggles! |
Speaking of Giggles.... He and I were discussing this issue the other day. Parralax affects him more at short range. It has more of an affect on me at longer ranges. Cheek wield perhaps?
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budperm
Optics Retard
show me your sheep!!
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Posted: January/21/2010 at 11:59 |
Oh SH&T!!! I'm done!
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"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson
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pyro6999
Optics Retard
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Joined: December/22/2006
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Posted: January/21/2010 at 12:30 |
if you use open sights you dont have to worry about it
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They call me "Boots" 375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"
343 we will never forget
God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy"
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Kickboxer
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Posted: January/21/2010 at 12:47 |
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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.
There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living
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silver
Optics Master
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Location: United States
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Posted: January/21/2010 at 12:51 |
Hey... some of us are just glad that Skunk did not have to spend a lot of time with the Fee-b
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"If we weren't all crazy we, We would go insane." Jimmie Buffet
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8shots
Optics Jedi Knight
Lord Of The Flies
Joined: March/14/2007
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Posted: January/22/2010 at 03:43 |
I was wondering when Skunk was going to save this thread!
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Jon A
Optics Journeyman
Joined: March/14/2008
Location: Everett, WA
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Posted: January/22/2010 at 06:50 |
8shots wrote:
No Jon A, you are being the ass. |
This is disappointing. I expected more from you. I have bent over
backward to be polite and humor your misguided ideas without
personally insulting you. When you're right you don't need to stoop to
such levels.
But that's OK, being called a name might sting a bit if you know you
have done the person some wrong and might deserve it, but there's no
worry of that here.
For example, had you spent a bunch of your hard earned money on a scope
based upon my recommendation and you found it to be a poor choice for
your application, the unsatisfactory performance causing you to spend
more money again quickly thereafter, that might elicit such a response,
and I wouldn't blame you. If my tales of a dimmer view, impossibility
of fast use at close range, POI shifts with a mere tap of a pencil, and
of course the contention that parallax error does not matter at all, in
any way for long range shooting when you asked about a high power scope
for long range precision caused you to buy a scope that was difficult
and slow to use accurately, I might deserve to be called a name or
two. And I wouldn't blame you.
Luckily I have done no such thing. Others have though.
No-one can focus an AO in a couple of seconds and still pull
the shot off, so your "quickly" will also be impossible. |
Bzzzt. For most such equipped scopes (they aren't all exactly the
same) you can take zero time by setting the AO to around 300 yds
(depending upon the scope) before you leave the house. Zero time can
also be described as "infinitely quick." Most AO scopes when so set,
still work perfectly at close range when at low power (which is where
it will be set at close range). And when the power is cranked up for a
longer shot, even if the setting isn't perfect, you have eliminated
that vast majority of possible error to the point you really don't need
to worry about it.
That's "point and shoot" which requires zero extra time compared with a
non adjustable scope, in all hunting conditions. If you have even one
single second, you can do even better. This will also vary from scope
to scope but if it's a good one and you have practiced with it you
should be able to turn the sidefocus very close to the correct location
as soon as you know the range. Whether the knob has numbers on it and
you've related them to real life in practice, or such as the case with
my Premier I've put my own reference dots on the knob so I can quickly
set it. Weather conditions will change this slightly so this certainly
won't be the "perfect" setting either (I'm not suggesting shooting a BR
match this way) but it can be good enough to eliminate about 95% of the
possible parallax. And it takes about 1 second. Since you think
having a full 100% of the error is no problem at all, after knocking
that down to 5% it certainly isn't a big worry for a vital zone sized
target.
If you wish to childishly counter this information with more
namecalling and the like, that's fine. It really doesn't bother me. I
know for every one of you there are a hundred out there who are reading
and will come away from this thread with a better understanding of the
subject matter. If somebody feels bad because he lost an arguement and
calls me a name in the process, that's of little import.
Dale Clifford wrote:
Jon-- everybody would like the "perfect shot" it just doesn't happen. Thats what your talking about. Regardless of training and equipment there will be a random error to bite you in the butt. |
Of course there is. But adding another element of random error on top of what you already have from other sources (such as using a 2 MOA rifle instead of a 1 MOA rifle, etc) will only make things worse.
Your idea of quick and mine vary by about 3 mins. (about enough time for your fingers to freeze from the chill factor in this case). |
I guess so. If it's taking you over three minutes to make the shot, that simply won't be fast enough for most hunting situations--even those at fairly long range. There are times it will be, I guess it can depend upon how you hunt. If it's a stand-type hunt, it might happen more often. But for primarily spot and stalk, still hunting, etc, that I do having that much time to mess around is a rare occurrence (for a big buck, anyway--if talking does and little bucks that's different). If I had three minutes to wiggle my eyeball behind a scope to line things up just perfectly while making a shot, sure, I can do very well even one with a lot of parallax. But most of the time it's only a fraction of that. So why would I choose to use such a scope when wanting to be prepared for such a shot when others are so much easier and faster to use and in many situations will be more accurate? Maybe you guys could try to explain the motivation behind why you're arguing so hard for non-adjustablility. What will I gain? I can pound a nail in a board with a pair of pliers if I need to, but that doesn't make me go around telling people not to buy hammers.
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Dogger
Optics Jedi Master
Joined: January/02/2007
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: January/22/2010 at 07:09 |
Hard to believe this is where it all started:
"A little while ago I posted a thread that had some definitive answers about the actual influence parallax has on GENERAL shooting accuracy. This article seemed to indicate that for most tactical and hunting purposes parallax error is not such a big deal. On the other hand if you are shooting benchrest and are looking for 1/8inch groupings, then parallax error does play a role.
I further suggested that good consistant cheek weld plays a bigger role then having a scope with zero parallax error."
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God save the Empire!
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budperm
Optics Retard
show me your sheep!!
Joined: January/01/2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: January/22/2010 at 07:34 |
Jon A wrote:
8shots wrote:
No Jon A, you are being the ass. |
I can pound a nail in a board with a pair of pliers if I need to, but that doesn't make me go around telling people not to buy hammers.
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For Christ sake! Give it a rest!
You might not go around telling people not to buy hammers but you would take great delight in needlessly argueing that you didn't need a hammer to get the job done!
You have MORE than earned that name by the way! SHEEZE!
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"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson
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scooter65
Optics Master Extraordinaire
Joined: December/29/2006
Location: mi
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Posted: January/22/2010 at 07:49 |
Roy Finn wrote:
Boy, I've read through this thread and all I can say is some of you guys are killing the spirit of hunting as I know it. |
Not only that... but it's making me think the mechanics of a golf swing are simple.
Edited by scooter65 - January/22/2010 at 08:45
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pyro6999
Optics Retard
OT TITAN
Joined: December/22/2006
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Posted: January/22/2010 at 08:41 |
so who's up for some quantum physics???
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They call me "Boots" 375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"
343 we will never forget
God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy"
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budperm
Optics Retard
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Posted: January/22/2010 at 09:07 |
pyro6999 wrote:
so who's up for some quantum physics??? |
Now your scaring me....Professor Pyro.
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"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson
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biggreen747
Optics Journeyman
Joined: October/16/2009
Location: Colorado
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Posted: January/22/2010 at 09:11 |
pyro6999 wrote:
so who's up for some quantum physics???
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While were at it we can start work on our atom splitter.
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We measure it with a micrometer, mark it with a crayon, and cut it with a chainsaw.
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budperm
Optics Retard
show me your sheep!!
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Posted: January/22/2010 at 09:14 |
I thought we just finished working on our atom splitter!
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"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson
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pyro6999
Optics Retard
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Posted: January/22/2010 at 09:47 |
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They call me "Boots" 375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"
343 we will never forget
God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy"
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budperm
Optics Retard
show me your sheep!!
Joined: January/01/2009
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Posted: January/22/2010 at 10:49 |
pyro6999 wrote:
budperm wrote:
I thought we just finished working on our atom splitter! |
no that was just a migraine no biggy right?
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Yeah I just your right hunter. The biggest problem with Migraines is getting rid of them.
Unfortunately it can take years before there gone for good!
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"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". --Thomas Jefferson
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