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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/21/2010 at 11:24
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/21/2010 at 11:38
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/21/2010 at 11:41
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/21/2010 at 11:46
Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

It seems I'm the late entry in the Big Peter contest. Better late than never.
 
Thats what happens when you stop to pose for Man Ass pictures with giggles!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/21/2010 at 11:52
Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Thats what happens when you stop to pose for Man Ass pictures with giggles!
Speaking of Giggles.... He and I were discussing this issue the other day. Parralax affects him more at short range. It has more of an affect on me at longer ranges. Cheek wield perhaps? Bucky
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/21/2010 at 12:51
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/22/2010 at 03:43
I was wondering when Skunk was going to save this thread!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/22/2010 at 06:50
Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

No Jon A, you are being the ass.

This is disappointing.  I expected more from you.  I have bent over backward to be polite and humor your misguided ideas without personally insulting you.  When you're right you don't need to stoop to such levels.

But that's OK, being called a name might sting a bit if you know you have done the person some wrong and might deserve it, but there's no worry of that here.

For example, had you spent a bunch of your hard earned money on a scope based upon my recommendation and you found it to be a poor choice for your application, the unsatisfactory performance causing you to spend more money again quickly thereafter, that might elicit such a response, and I wouldn't blame you.  If my tales of a dimmer view, impossibility of fast use at close range, POI shifts with a mere tap of a pencil, and of course the contention that parallax error does not matter at all, in any way for long range shooting when you asked about a high power scope for long range precision caused you to buy a scope that was difficult and slow to use accurately, I might deserve to be called a name or two.  And I wouldn't blame you. 

Luckily I have done no such thing.  Others have though.

Quote No-one can  focus an AO in a couple of seconds and still pull the shot off,  so your "quickly" will also be impossible.

Bzzzt.  For most such equipped scopes (they aren't all exactly the same) you can take zero time by setting the AO to around 300 yds (depending upon the scope) before you leave the house.  Zero time can also be described as "infinitely quick."  Most AO scopes when so set, still work perfectly at close range when at low power (which is where it will be set at close range).  And when the power is cranked up for a longer shot, even if the setting isn't perfect, you have eliminated that vast majority of possible error to the point you really don't need to worry about it.

That's "point and shoot" which requires zero extra time compared with a non adjustable scope, in all hunting conditions.  If you have even one single second, you can do even better.  This will also vary from scope to scope but if it's a good one and you have practiced with it you should be able to turn the sidefocus very close to the correct location as soon as you know the range.  Whether the knob has numbers on it and you've related them to real life in practice, or such as the case with my Premier I've put my own reference dots on the knob so I can quickly set it.  Weather conditions will change this slightly so this certainly won't be the "perfect" setting either (I'm not suggesting shooting a BR match this way) but it can be good enough to eliminate about 95% of the possible parallax.  And it takes about 1 second.  Since you think having a full 100% of the error is no problem at all, after knocking that down to 5% it certainly isn't a big worry for a vital zone sized target.

If you wish to childishly counter this information with more namecalling and the like, that's fine.  It really doesn't bother me.  I know for every one of you there are a hundred out there who are reading and will come away from this thread with a better understanding of the subject matter.  If somebody feels bad because he lost an arguement and calls me a name in the process, that's of little import.

Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

Jon-- everybody would like the "perfect shot" it just doesn't happen. Thats what your talking about. Regardless of training and equipment there will be a random error to bite you in the butt.

Of course there is.  But adding another element of random error on top of what you already have from other sources (such as using a 2 MOA rifle instead of a 1 MOA rifle, etc) will only make things worse.
Quote Your idea of quick and mine vary by about 3 mins. (about enough time for your fingers to freeze from the chill factor in this case).

I guess so.  If it's taking you over three minutes to make the shot, that simply won't be fast enough for most hunting situations--even those at fairly long range.  There are times it will be, I guess it can depend upon how you hunt.  If it's a stand-type hunt, it might happen more often.  But for primarily spot and stalk, still hunting, etc, that I do having that much time to mess around is a rare occurrence (for a big buck, anyway--if talking does and little bucks that's different).  If I had three minutes to wiggle my eyeball behind a scope to line things up just perfectly while making a shot, sure, I can do very well even one with a lot of parallax.   But most of the time it's only a fraction of that.

So why would I choose to use such a scope when wanting to be prepared for such a shot when others are so much easier and faster to use and in many situations will be more accurate?  Maybe you guys could try to explain the motivation behind why you're arguing so hard for non-adjustablility.  What will  I gain?  I can pound a nail in a board with a pair of pliers if I need to, but that doesn't make me go around telling people not to buy hammers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/22/2010 at 07:09
Hard to believe this is where it all started:
 
"A little while ago I posted a thread that had some definitive answers about the actual influence parallax has on GENERAL shooting accuracy. This article seemed to indicate that for most tactical and hunting purposes parallax error is not such a big deal. On the other hand if you are shooting benchrest and are looking for 1/8inch groupings, then parallax error does play a role.
I further suggested that good consistant cheek weld plays a bigger role then having a scope with zero parallax error."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/22/2010 at 07:34
Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

No Jon A, you are being the ass.

  I can pound a nail in a board with a pair of pliers if I need to, but that doesn't make me go around telling people not to buy hammers.
 
For Christ sake!  Give it a rest! 
You might not go around telling people not to buy hammers but you would take great delight in needlessly argueing that you didn't need a hammer to get the job done!
 
You have MORE than earned that name by the way!  SHEEZE!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/22/2010 at 07:49
Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Boy, I've read through this thread and all I can say is some of you guys are killing the spirit of hunting as I know it.
 
Not only that... but it's making me think the mechanics of a golf swing are simple.


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so who's up for some quantum physics???Bucky
 
Now your scaring me....Professor Pyro.  Wink
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so who's up for some quantum physics???Bucky

While were at it we can start work on our atom splitter. 
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I thought we just finished working on our atom splitter!  Laugh
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I thought we just finished working on our atom splitter!  Laugh

no that was just a migraine no biggy right?Bucky
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

I thought we just finished working on our atom splitter!  Laugh

no that was just a migraine no biggy right?Bucky
 
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