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    Posted: November/02/2009 at 22:05

Rifle - 7mm08

Budget $ 300 - $600
 
I am looking for any suggestions for a scope that i can use to both hunt and shoot big bore silhouette (up to 500 yards).  I am open to both fixed and variable magnification however i am under the impression that some variable mag scopes have trouble maintaining zero at mid magnifications. 
 
I have looked at the following scopes:  Sightron SII, SIIBS, Burris Fullfield II Tactical, Pentax LIghtseeker.  I am open to any suggestions.
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Please clarify "Big Bore" as 7mm08 is not considered big bore.
 
To find a combination for any two things is normally very difficult as you have to pay in from both sides and you end up with something that is not quite suitable for either.
 
500yds is a long way out and in my opinion you need to find something dedicated to one only.
 
You would definately have to go to a variable, probably a 4,5-20. Most scopes are stable throughout the zoom.
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If you are going to shoot in matches then you need a differant scope than those listed
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Some clarification sorta-- in us. big bore is anything over 22 cal. big bore can also be called high power. , this is a terminology among the various formal match groups. long range rifle silhoutte is usually out to 600 yd, standing no slings, or other helpers. 7-08 is about the ideal choice. a balance of power and recoil needed to knock over apprx. 20 lbsteel rams about 2 feet high placed on rails.
if a scope has trouble keeping zero it will do it at all magnifications, its just at the higher ones are more noticeable. generally high mag. scopes are used under the assumption that if you can have get any of the cross hair on the target long enough to pull the trigger it will knock the target over, whereas with lower power scopes -one doesn't even know if they are on the target. Another thing that is need are good target turrets.
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ptarmiganptom-  As you can see everyone here is an expert. You will get an earful of everything but what you were hoping for.  
 
I believe you can get better quality than what you have listed by looking at the Nikon Monarch Series.  They zero very well and return to zero time after time.  You have to choose your own magnification... 
 
If at all possible try to go to a big box store you know one with a mountain and animals in it and put the different ones you want side by side on their dummy guns and then choose what you think you like pick your magnification.  Sure it is not like being outside with the sun or clouds but you seem to already have an idea of what you are looking for.
 
Good luck...
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If you want to shoot matches you needs a scope that will handle the adjustment on a regular basis.  You will need to build up a book of setting so that as you gauge the wind you can dial in the "dope."  That means target turrets and a whole lot more magnfication than you want for hunting.
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Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP

ptarmiganptom-  As you can see everyone here is an expert. You will get an earful of everything but what you were hoping for.  
 
If at all possible try to go to a big box store you know one with a mountain and animals in it and put the different ones you want side by side on their dummy guns and then choose what you think you like pick your magnification.  Sure it is not like being outside with the sun or clouds but you seem to already have an idea of what you are looking for.
 
Good luck...
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Oh, another expert. This is great advise!! Go to a store, and look through scopes, and just pick one!! Forget about function, and internals. Go with what looks good in an artificially lit big box store! Glad I'm not an expert. I'll reserve my opinions on a scope, to keep from being labeled. I would take any advice that Dale Clifford gives to the bank though.

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YUP got the negative only took a few minutes...
 
I don't know what we would do without people in the world like that... 
 
Anywho SWFA will make sure you don't buy junk internally...
 
I am suggesting you have to put your hands on what you are going to buy to make sure you are seeing / touching/feeling / smelling what you are looking at for the price range you listed.  Do not go off of what others say unless you buy it from SWFA because of the return policy.
 
I do admit that you will not benefit from being outside, I also would say that on a sunny day even a "bad scope" can look decent.
 
I do not think for a minute that you will not be able to tell which ones are built to last.  by putting your hands on the scope yourself you know what you are getting yourself into. 
 
Nikon does have tactical turrets or "target" turrets...
 
 
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Of the brands you listed the Big Sky will probably have the edge in glass quality.  If you went with this model  http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=20148&PID=252499#252499 it will fit both of your needs pretty well.  4x is low enough for most hunting situations but I would not want to go any higher.   And 16x should be plenty for 500 yards.  It has adjustable parallax and covered resettable target style knobs.  One downside at least in my opinion is the 1/8 MOA adjustments.  But maybe that is something you want for target shooting, so it might be just fine for you.

Another one to consider would be the Vortex Viper.  It will have compairable glass to the Big Sky and mechanically they get great reviews.  http://swfa.com/Vortex-4-12x40-Viper-Rifle-Scope-P10820.aspx
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Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP

YUP got the negative only took a few minutes...


What do you expect when tossing out insults like that?
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Originally posted by 338LAPUASLAP

YUP got the negative only took a few minutes...
 
I am about the meekest person I know. I'm not one for jumping on someone, and being negative, but when someone comes in here with the kind of arrogance you have shown, and starts bashing members for trying to help, it tends to set me off. I send as many rounds downrange as anyone............does it make me an expert........no. Does it mean that my opinion shouldn't matter? I don't think so. At this point I don't care what you think of my opinion. I'm totally, and completely done with you. This is the second thread you've posted in that made me seek anger management. I'm sure, being the "worldly expert" you can handle it from here. I'm out.

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I really don't see the point of the insults... or the "reaching" for a battle.  338, your service and inputs are highly respected and because you have recently been in the midst of the war, you get more "slack" than others might.  But there are those here who have much more experience and knowledge than you.  Valid argument based upon experience and verifiable information is welcome.  It provides a basis for thoughtful exchange.  Petty challenges based upon personal opinion is discouraged... 
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