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    Posted: November/02/2009 at 18:06
Originally posted by Roy Finn

I can honestly say that to date, I have not owned a rifle I dislike enough to put a VX-L on. Leupold's solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
 
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  Quote Roy Finn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/02/2009 at 18:31
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Originally posted by Roy Finn

I can honestly say that to date, I have not owned a rifle I dislike enough to put a VX-L on. Leupold's solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

 

I'll have to disagree with you on this one, Roy.

 We can argue about how important it is to have a large objective lens, and we could argue about how important it is to mount a scope low to the bore for various reasons, but if there's ANY other way to achieve both, (other than grinding a huge divot out of your rifle barrel), I'd sure like to hear about it...

 I've used the VX-L and it is a VERY nice riflescope.

( I don't particularlycare for the looks either, though.)


My argument is really pretty simple. With a 40-42mm obj. scope set at 6-7x you will have more exit pupil than you will ever need or even use under any big game hunting situation. At 6-7x you will have all the magnification you will ever need for big game at any reasonable range. A 40-42 still allows for good mounting height. The 40-42mm scopes are lighter than the VX-L. They are less expensive than the VX-L. They are much nicer looking (my personal opinion). Those are just my opinions and some facts as to why I said Leupold answered a question never asked. Your "argument" sounds like it's based on the need for both. My argument is the opposite.

Edited by Roy Finn - November/02/2009 at 18:37
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  Quote Urimaginaryfrnd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/02/2009 at 19:38
Someone must like them they sure seem to disappear off samplelist if you get one in a 4.5-14 or 6.5-20.  I'd buy one but it would be the one with target knobs and a 30mm tube.   10x56 is a 5.6mm exit eye pupil  so fairly bright and there is a lot of difference between what you see at 6x and 10x. You really have to have a low light use need for it to make sense, hogs or coyotes at night etc.  Im not saying its the ideal all around hunting scope but it has its place and it probably will eventually go away because it looks different.
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  Quote RONK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/02/2009 at 21:25
Originally posted by Roy Finn



My argument is really pretty simple. With a 40-42mm obj. scope set at 6-7x you will have more exit pupil than you will ever need or even use under any big game hunting situation. At 6-7x you will have all the magnification you will ever need for big game at any reasonable range. A 40-42 still allows for good mounting height. The 40-42mm scopes are lighter than the VX-L. They are less expensive than the VX-L. They are much nicer looking (my personal opinion). Those are just my opinions and some facts as to why I said Leupold answered a question never asked. Your "argument" sounds like it's based on the need for both. My argument is the opposite.
 
 
Well, I guess that would be a pretty good case against the very existence of any scope with more than 6 or 7X magnification, or an objective bigger than 42 mm... 
 I'm sure a that at least a few guys need more magnification, larger objectives and low mounting abilities for some uses. Just because you and I don't, does not mean that there isn't any use nor "need" for such.


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  Quote HuntMaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/02/2009 at 22:07
Any of the Leupolds are actually good scopes, they are just priced far too much for what you get. A VX3 should by all means be a $320-$380 scope ( I am using the 3.5-10x50 as example).They perform well, but there are better scopes out there for the same money.
 Warranty is excellent, but I would wager they make enough off each sale to give a full lifetime replacement anyway.
I own some Leupy's and am satisfied with them, but stopped buying when I noticed a trend several years ago of the price going up $30-$40 every year on a noticeable scale. I don't think costs have gone up at the same rate as priceing. My costs certainly have not with the exception of the Euro vs the Dollar.
And lest I am terribly wrong, Leupold maintains that their dealers follow a priceing matrix to keep from starting a major headache with price wars.
With that said, I think the VX2 is the better bargain. These deteriorating eyes can't see much of a difference between it and the VX3. 


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  Quote Roy Finn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/02/2009 at 22:27
Ron, I see your point and it's valid for some I guess. I guess my point was basically that as light fades your ability (or at least mine anyway) to shoot at stuff decreases and so do the distances. That was really my point for less magnification needed. Perhaps more of a human element rather than the equipment if that makes any sense.
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  Quote RONK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/03/2009 at 18:28
 No Roy, I know where you're coming from, and generally agree with your observations.
 
 I guess I just like to see the Red-Blooded AMERICAN Leupold engineers get some well-earned credit for thinking outside the box and coming up with a design that makes a great deal of sense in theory (and works pretty well in practice). It had to be extremely  tough to design the grinding equipment to shape those lenses (compared to round ones), and to build the tubes and housings to accomodate them. I think they did it very well, judging by the exceptional quality of the ones I've seen.
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They are still UGLY...
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  Quote pyro6999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/03/2009 at 21:15
Originally posted by Kickboxer

They are still UGLY...

does that cover it???
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  Quote RONK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/03/2009 at 22:27
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They are still UGLY...
 
     Prove it.             
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  Quote jonoMT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/03/2009 at 23:00
I always thought they were kind of innovative. However, I've just been frustrated that with every Leupold I've owned, I always have adjusted .5 MOA over and ended up changing POI 1 MOA or some such. Frankly, I haven't had any problem with cheek weld or parallax with either of my conventionally-shaped objectives. One (with only a 32mm objective) has a scope height that is 2" above the bore and the other (which has a 50mm objective) is only 1.6" (on a 20MOA base). So I don't see the need to carve a divot out of the lens. I'd rather that they put some attention into the scope internals. That might make me a Leupold buyer again someday.
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