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    Posted: October/30/2009 at 20:25
Will any scope work on a muzzeloader, or does a muzzeloader need a muzzeloader scope?  The reason I ask is I seem to be having trouble zeroing in my muzzeloader.  I put a Kahles 2-7x36 on it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/30/2009 at 20:34
Originally posted by brav302 brav302 wrote:

Will any scope work on a muzzeloader, or does a muzzeloader need a muzzeloader scope?  The reason I ask is I seem to be having trouble zeroing in my muzzeloader.  I put a Kahles 2-7x36 on it.
Are you sure it's your scope? Did you have a different scope on it before the Kahles and it shot good with the other scope? Or is this a brand new setup?
I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
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Its a new setup.  I'm trying some differant bullets tomorrow.  The scope worked great on my 308.  I was just woundering if there might be something with the recoil causing it. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hawkman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/30/2009 at 20:49
I wouldn't think so. Is this your first time with a ML. You just have to work up a load that the gun likes. Different types of bullets, bullet grain, grains of powder. Sometimes they can be a headache.
I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
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Will the gun group at all or is it throwing the bullets all over the paper. Without a group there is no since in adjusting the scope until a group is achieved.
I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
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Any scope will work but there is an advantage to one with a balistic reticle as the trajectory is fairly radical.  I have a Nikon Omega on mine and they make a new model:
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I have a couple of suggestions to make this less painful.  Use Barnes sabbots preferably the 250 grain with the blue plastic tip but any of them will shoot a lot better than the competitions bullets.  Powder charges in modern rifles can go from  80 grains to 150 grains of powder.  If you use pre formed pellets  two pellets is 100 grains and three pellets is 150 grains.  I have one rifle that will group well with 150 grains but all of the other muskets I have shot did much better with 120 grains of loose Tripple 7  FFG powder.  I would try some at 100  and some at 120 and see what groups best. It is VERY important to run a wet patch then a dry patch down the bore after every shot to maintain a consistent seating depth - failure to do this will result in a pattern that looks like buckshot.   Sooner or later you will run a dry patch down the bore and it will stick there and not come out - simply pour a little powder solvent down the bore and once the patch is wet it will come right out.   Never forget to put grease on the threads of the breach plug or it will ruin the rifle.  I find that muskets shoot better after some use than they do brand new. 

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Thanks for all the info.  I was shooting 240 gr hornady XTP with 2 pyrodex pellets.  Today I'm going to try 2 pyrodex pellets with 200 gr TC shock wave sabots.  At one point I shot one decent 3 shot group then they started getting all over the place.  Some off the paper.
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Are you cleaning the bore after each shot ? perhaps changed primers ( stick with muzzleloader specific 209's ) ? double checked your mounts and rings are snug ? are your pellets a couple years old  - could have absorbed moisture from storage ? What kind of muzzleloader is it ?
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Looks like it was the bullets.  With these it will shoot holes touching at 100 yrds.
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Good deal. Figured it had something to do with the ammo or load.
I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
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the 1.65-5x36 Nikon Omega is THE muzzleloader scope.
 
 
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You need to be consistent. Clean the same way between shots, fire a primer between shots, put the same pressure on the bullet when seating, etc. Loose powder is almost always more accurate. Most muzzleloaders need a fouling shot before starting to group.
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From my experience (a good rule of thumb) the muzzleloader brand shoots the same brand ammo the most accurate (remington gun - remington ammo / knight gun - knight ammo)  Hope this helps!!!

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have to agree with the bigdustbuster
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I've been doing real good with a TC gun and Barnes Sabbots.

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Originally posted by bigdust bigdust wrote:

From my experience (a good rule of thumb) the muzzleloader brand shoots the same brand ammo the most accurate (remington gun - remington ammo / knight gun - knight ammo)  Hope this helps!!!



Same with mine. I have a Knight Disc Extreme and it shoots best with Barnes MZ's (same as Knight Red Hots I believe). Mine is wearing a Leupold VX III 1.75-6 heavy duplex reticle.
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