MIXED REVIEWS BRING MIXED FEELING 1-4X

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   Hello all, I am new to the forum and am trying to find out what the best 1 to 1.5 - 4 to 4.5 x magnification 30mm scope is the best for around $300.00 to $325.00.  I like the Hawke Endurance 1.5 to 4.5 and this thread talked about an upcoming review of that same scope.  Does anyone have experience with the Hawke 1.5 to 4.5x Endurance?  I am looking for a good optic (replacing a cheap $60.00 Barska) that can stand some general abuse...i.e. trudging through the woods, maybe the gun bumps a tree, or even a fall from a standing position while leaned on a tree.   This will be going on either a Yugoslavian AK or a Smith and Wesson M&P 15T.  Any help will be appreciated, and any advice to stay away from certain manufacturers will be considered if you have good reason to discredit them.  I have also looked at the Konus M30 1-4  /  and the Millet Doughnut in a dot 1-4.  Look forward to seeing replies.  Robert, in TX.    Ohhh,  and most of my shots would be 250 yards and under, and the heaviest recoil from a 7.62x39 or .223.   I have read so many mixed reviews about these things (1-4X) that I can tell up from down.  One guys says this is the best (1-4x), the next says he wouldnt keep the same one around for a spare nut cracker! :)  THIS POST EXISTS ON THE RIFLE SCOPE AREA AS WELL AS I WAS NOT SURE WHICH WAS MORE APPROPRIATE

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TruthNtime Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics GrassHopper Joined: October/28/2009 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 17	Quote Reply Topic: MIXED REVIEWS BRING MIXED FEELING 1-4X Posted: October/28/2009 at 19:45
	Hello all, I am new to the forum and am trying to find out what the best 1 to 1.5 - 4 to 4.5 x magnification 30mm scope is the best for around $300.00 to $325.00. I like the Hawke Endurance 1.5 to 4.5 and this thread talked about an upcoming review of that same scope. Does anyone have experience with the Hawke 1.5 to 4.5x Endurance? I am looking for a good optic (replacing a cheap $60.00 Barska) that can stand some general abuse...i.e. trudging through the woods, maybe the gun bumps a tree, or even a fall from a standing position while leaned on a tree. This will be going on either a Yugoslavian AK or a Smith and Wesson M&P 15T. Any help will be appreciated, and any advice to stay away from certain manufacturers will be considered if you have good reason to discredit them. I have also looked at the Konus M30 1-4 / and the Millet Doughnut in a dot 1-4. Look forward to seeing replies. Robert, in TX. Ohhh, and most of my shots would be 250 yards and under, and the heaviest recoil from a 7.62x39 or .223. I have read so many mixed reviews about these things (1-4X) that I can tell up from down. One guys says this is the best (1-4x), the next says he wouldnt keep the same one around for a spare nut cracker! :) THIS POST EXISTS ON THE RIFLE SCOPE AREA AS WELL AS I WAS NOT SURE WHICH WAS MORE APPROPRIATE
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TruthNtime Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics GrassHopper Joined: October/28/2009 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 17	Quote Reply Posted: October/28/2009 at 19:51
	Ohh, I wanted to say ahead of time... Please dont tell me about $1500 optics that will blow the ones I have named away... I have looked at and drooooled over those but can not afford much more than $325.00. I know you get what you pay for, and I just need a good no nonsense optic that can survive intermideate use and abuse. Thanks guys, I dont mean to be rude but I have seen alot of these thread's go off onto other subjects quick. I really do appreciate any firsthand knowledge of the listed optics or others you know of in these ranges. Robert.
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TruthNtime Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics GrassHopper Joined: October/28/2009 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 17	Quote Reply Posted: October/28/2009 at 20:03
	http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=124&t=461181 This is a link to a site called ar15.com I just found this looking for 1-4 scopes. The people at this forum are talking about a scope that has a 1-4 illuminated scope at a price of 119.99. At that price I would expect junk honestly, but they seem pretty enthusiastic about it. If anyone knows anything about Primary Arms Equipment please post a response. Also, are the folks at ar15 considered knowledgeable?
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	My advice: steer clear of the $100 wonder-optic: you get what you pay for. In that price range, I would recommend looking at Bushnell 3200 1.5-4.5 or the Millett DMS. Maybe even a Vortex Viper - but it is 2-7X. Many at AR15 know stuff, but be wary, many mall ninja's and paintballers around too.
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TruthNtime Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics GrassHopper Joined: October/28/2009 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 17	Quote Reply Posted: October/29/2009 at 00:15
	I kinda felt that way about that scope, the "wonder scope". I am really just stuck between the Konus 1-4 / the millet 1-4 / and the hawke endurance 1.25-4.5. I wish there was a clear winner..... price suggests that the Hawke is the better of the group.
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	I have a Bushnell Trophy 1-4 with illuminated #4 and I like it for what it is.
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TruthNtime Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics GrassHopper Joined: October/28/2009 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 17	Quote Reply Posted: October/29/2009 at 08:14
	Thanks for the reply. How much was your 1-4 Trophy? Do you think that it would hold up to hunting in the mountains, say if I slipped with the gun in hand and the whole unit took a good jarring?
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Rancid Coolaid Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics Master Joined: January/19/2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 2677	Quote Reply Posted: October/29/2009 at 09:45
	I have owned the Millett, it was a good scope for $200. I hear there are quality issues with Millett right now, I'd go with the Bushnell, they have been consistentperformers for a long time.
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TruthNtime Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics GrassHopper Joined: October/28/2009 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 17	Quote Reply Posted: October/29/2009 at 10:45
	I am considering the bushnell, but I have to wait on the review by (sorry I forgot his name) the gentleman that has the darth vador costume guy as his avatar :) He has a Hawke 1.25-4.5 that he will be reviewing. The endurance line from hawke uses Japanese Glass and has a fine reticle with illuminated center dot similar to the bushy. Thanks again for the recomendation, I am narrowing it down. Robert.
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lucytuma Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics Master Joined: November/25/2007 Location: Wisconsin Online Status: Offline Posts: 2440	Quote Reply Posted: October/29/2009 at 11:18
	Koshkin, is the screen name, optics are his game. Edited by lucytuma - October/29/2009 at 11:19
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Dogger Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: January/02/2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 4025	Quote Reply Posted: October/29/2009 at 11:30
	TruthNtime, in answer to your question about the Trophy. In Canada I paid about $140 for mine. I use it on a 44 carbine and dog with it everyday through heavy brush so it has not been babied. Still working ok after 4 years of fairly rigorous use.
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TruthNtime Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics GrassHopper Joined: October/28/2009 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 17	Quote Reply Posted: October/29/2009 at 15:02
	(((TruthNtime, in answer to your question about the Trophy. In Canada I paid about $140 for mine. I use it on a 44 carbine and dog with it everyday through heavy brush so it has not been babied. Still working ok after 4 years of fairly rigorous use. ))) Good to know, thats just the type of unit I want, one I dont have to think about :) Thanks for your experience. Robert
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