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    Posted: October/21/2009 at 17:02
Thats crazy, good to hear you are ok!
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  Quote SD Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/21/2009 at 17:11
Glad you are ok.  Darn scary.  Given the powder, case should have been fairly full so a double charge would have been spilling out of the case.  Looking at the damage very glad you are ok.
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  Quote pyro6999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/21/2009 at 17:15
im glad to hear you survived that, it looks horrible. i hate to break it to you, but i have a funny feeling that sako wont help you out at all. remington puts in their owners manual a clause that strictly states that any use of handloads will void the factory warranty in full. sh*ty deal, but at the same time they cant control the guy who owns the gun.
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  Quote cyborg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/21/2009 at 17:17
Shocked YIKES MAN............I am glad the injuries were minor. Talk about shell shock....
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  Quote koshkin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/21/2009 at 17:21
I've had a rifle blow up in my hands once.  

Definitely not an experience I care to repeat.

I am glad you are OK.  The damage looks like case head separation, but I am not an expert.

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  Quote RifleDude Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/21/2009 at 17:36
As Pyro stated, the fact you were using a handload probably means Beretta/Sako won't accept any responsibility for replacing your rifle, for the very reason he stated.  You say your load was safe, and it may very well have been, but you can't prove it in this situation.  The round has already been fired, so it becomes your word vs. a blown up rifle, and all they have to verify is the blown up rifle.  They have no control over the proper use of reloads, and they cannot accept liability for things outside their control, so most firearms companies simply refuse to provide any warranty coverage when the use of reloads is involved.  Really, I don't blame them either.
 
Who knows, maybe they'll take care of it.  I highly doubt it, though.  If it was a case head separation, the charge may have been within safe pressures and it wouldn't matter.  Case head separations are caused by either excessive headspace (shoulder was set back too far), you had a crack in the brass near the rim you didn't notice when reloading, or the brass was too thin just forward of the rim from multiple FL resizing.
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  Quote Monster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/21/2009 at 17:41
Normal case separation would not have caused that bad of a reaction. There had to be some insanely high pressures in that round.
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  Quote Horsemany Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/21/2009 at 17:56
Originally posted by Monster

Normal case separation would not have caused that bad of a reaction. There had to be some insanely high pressures in that round.
 
I tend to agree.   The rifle should be designed to handle a ruptured case better than that.  It's interesting the barrel looks unharmed.  I saw a Ruger with a case head seperation at my local club 3 years ago and it basically amounted to soot around the receiver vent hole and a little on the stock.  The rifle was fine and shot the rest of the day.
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  Quote lucytuma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/21/2009 at 17:58
Thanks for posting this information, it's a great reminder to us reloaders of what can possibly happen.  Your misfortune may save one of us reloaders in the future, I'm glad your ok.  The rifle can be replaced, your eyes, fingers and life cannot, no matter what the outcome is with Sako, I think you already are very fortunate to not have been terribly hurt.
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  Quote RifleDude Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/21/2009 at 18:38
Originally posted by Monster

Normal case separation would not have caused that bad of a reaction. There had to be some insanely high pressures in that round.
 
Not true.  I've seen rifles with the entire bottom metal blown out due solely to case head separation.  I've heard reports of extractors blown completely out of actions due to case head separation.  This is the reason some action designs such as the Remington 700 have completely enclosed, counterbored bolt heads that extends into the chamber end of the barrel.  The Sako doesn't have an enclosed bolt face, so in the event of a case head separation, the rapidly expanding gas is vectored out the bottom left side of the bolt face.  Even though the round may have been within normally safe pressure limits, we're still talking about more than 50,000 psi here!  The gas has to go somewhere, so it travels the path of least resistance, which on the Sako is down through the magazine and along the left side (from the shooter's perspective) bolt race.  This would explain why it blew the bolt shroud off, because the shroud is blocking the open end of the bolt race.  The amount of damage caused depends on the action design and the amount of peak pressure involved, so no two circumstances will necessarily have the same end results.  The fact that the barrel wasn't damaged supports the idea that it was caused by case head separation.  Seeing the brass will tell the story.  Usually the brass forward of the web ahead of the rim will still be in the chamber if it was caused by head separation.
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  Quote ccoker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/21/2009 at 18:57
As I stated earlier, I am very happy to have fingers and eyes intact

i had a nice bonus hit the bank on Friday so it allowed me, well, the wife allowed me :) to get another bolt action in time for deer opening weekend in a few weeks.. (the 700 LTR I posted about) 

the bolt is stuck in the gun, I tried to tap on it for a bit with a hammer, no go
 
interesting that Ted posts about the excess gas going low left, my left hand was around the mag well and was numb for several days

at this point, I am going to wait to hear from my contact who may be able to help before sending it in... 

I will be pleasantly surprised if they replace it...
if not, so be it
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