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    Posted: October/18/2009 at 12:02
I bought the Super Sniper 10x for the MOA adjustment...
 
MOUNTED IT TO A 1:8 .920 STAINLESS .22LR FOR SUBSONIC  60GR. AGUILA AND 48GR LAPUA. PUT ON A 10/22LR (LITTLE THUMBHOLE STOCK RECOIL BUFFER, TRIGGER JOB) use OPS, INC. M24 3rd model...
 
I shoot it from 75yrds to 175yrds depending on variables...
 
Wondering if anyone out there has an idea as to why after shooting and adjusting maybe 25x from the 75yrd to the 175yrd 250+clicks either way...She doesn't seem to adjust true anymore seems to vary off Lt to Rt on Up and Dn...
 
Also looking for anything comparable that has the MOA  adjustment but will stay true...
 
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  Check to make sure the scope is mounted with the reticle perfectly vertical and horizontal, and that you aren't canting the rifle when you shoot. A scope-mounted level might be a good idea.
 With the trajectory of a subsonic .22 rimfire round at 175 yards, an inconsistently canted rifle could cause significant lateral error.
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I have insured that this is not the problem... I have all tolerances checked.level.bore/vert/hor..

 I did not have this problem for a long time but just more recent...Had tremendous / flawless running until last few incidences...
 
Looking to see if anyone else had run out so to speak...
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Just for the heck of it, turn the scope 90 degrees in the rings. You will need to use the windage turret for elevation and vice/versa, but it would then show you if it's occurring in the same manner; it would show as elevation changes when you make extreme windage adjustments if the scope is the problem. You'll want a big target paper, to properly document it.
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If all else fails call SWFA and talk to their cutomer service people and get it fixed or relplaced.   Does sound like you do a lot of turning the dial so call them and see what they can do.

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I am looking for a replacement that has the range specifically need the MOA would like a lower magnification but I do need the adjustment due to extreme bullet drop.  Again subsonic 60gr .22lr down 16"...
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Other scopes that have lots of internal adjustment are the 4.5-14  Leupold Mk4 scopes and the Sightron SIII scopes, the IOR scopes, Nightforce scopes,  and some others that cost more. The Super Sniper is the least expensive scope that you can find that will have tactical knobs and sufficient internal adjustment.  Most of us have had extremely good luck with the SS.  I have several of them and they have worked flawlessly.

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I need something more than 60" I need 72" at least would prefer 80"+
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As one reaches the limits of elevation your windage adjustment is reduced. So unless you are perfectly centered with your windage once you start reaching the limits of elevation the scope will act as though you are also adjusting your windage. And if your scope is off due to either rings or the base is not aligned which means you have used up more windage this will happen sooner. So you may need to add a 10 or 20 MOA base, but that could very well create the same problem on the closer distances.

 So how much drop do you get with your bullet choice? I know with std vel 40 gr they drop about 50inchs at 200yds. My guess is your drop significantly more than that.
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Personally I think you would be better off switching to a centerfire rifle and using the 22 at 100 yds and less and really better at about 50 yds and less due to the amount of energy it would have at that distance for hunting small game but aparently it is just for punching paper so you have some choices to make.  A scope with 100 moa of internal adjustment like a Leupold Mk 4 4.5-14x40 will in theory have half of that adjusment above and half below but that isnt always the case.  Adding a plus 30 moa or plus 20 moa base would shift where the range of adjustment starts and would benefit you. If you are expecting to get a 25 yd zero and an additonal 80 moa above that you are definately looking for a plus 30 base and possibly a Nightforce scope which should have about 110 moa I believe.  In all likelyhood you probably need to have the Super Sniper checked out for defect or damage and relpaired and stay with it because the cost of the other possible scopes is unreasonable for a .22   Seriously consider buying a centerfire like a .308 and then buying a nice scope like a Nightforce or Premier etc would be more reasonable

50 inches at 200 would be 25moa.


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LETS DEFINE IN PICS WHAT I AM DOING... 1:9 TWIST .22LR 60GR LEAD...
 
RUGER 10/22 RIFLE... NOT M4/AR OR 556/223
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I USE A KAHLES MULTIZERO FOR .308 168GR/ 175GR/ MY FAVORITE THE 200GR LAPUA B416 I BELIEVE...
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THE OTHER IS THE CZ I ALSO SHOOT SUPRESSED ONLY USE 170GR FP DUE TO TWIST BEING 1:10 VS THE OTHER CZ WITH THE MULTIZERO BEING 1:7.5
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Ok I understand where your going with the subsonic 22 and can. I guess my concern is how little energy it will retain at those distances.  Do you think it will be sufficient for your purpose or wouldnt you be better of limiting the distance to 100 or less where you will not only have more energy but almost no wind drift.  I would probably be inclined to put the can on a 22mag  suffer the additional noise and extend the range to 200 if I needed to go past 100.   Unfortunately I dont live in a state that will allow Class III  any more but I have had a  can when I was in Tx.   As for the SS talk to  Chris Farris II at SWFA  and see what he says.  I have had very good luck with my SS scopes.

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I enjoy the fact that the loudest part  of the equation is the nylon "recoil buffer"...

I am going for the quietest semiauto not...
 
I want to be subsonic the entire time so I can shoot whenever I want without being heard...
 
I only loose +-25% energy 35lbft maybe +- 15% velocity150FPS for hitting paper/ plinking that is fine for me...
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From my experience with shooting the .22 at longer ranges, sub sonic is actually better.  It does not take very far for a .22 LR bullet that is faster than the speed of sound to fall below it.  They do not seem to transition very well and they go squirrely.  So if you just stay below it to begin with you never have to go through the transition and your bullet stays more stable.  I shoot mine out to 100 and 200 yards and I seem to have much better results with the subsonic stuff vs. the hyper velocity stuff.  At really close range I doubt it will matter much but long range sub sonic seems to be the way to go.
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that is the idea...i little different then my only intentions but those are the results (less wind)...
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22lr 60gr ATR 
 Altitude        : 0 ft         Temperature      : 59  °F     
 Bullet Weight   : 60 gr        BC               : 0.18       
 Xwind Speed     : 10 mph       Xwind Angle      : 90 °       
 Muzzle Velocity : 950 fps      Zero Range       : 50 yards   
 Target Speed    : 4 mph        Angle            : 0.0 degrees
 
    Range   Height    Hmils     Wind    Wmils      Vel   Energy      TOF     Lead  LClicks         
  -------  -------  -------  -------  -------  -------  -------  -------  -------  -------         
        0    -1.50      0.0      0.0      0.0    950.0    120.2    0.000      0.0      0.0
       25     0.51      0.6      0.2      0.2    927.3    114.6    0.080      2.6      2.9
       50     0.00      0.0      0.7      0.4    906.3    109.4    0.162      5.3      2.9
       75    -3.16     -1.2      1.5      0.6    886.7    104.7    0.245      8.0      3.0
      100    -9.09     -2.5      2.7      0.7    868.2    100.4    0.331     10.8      3.0
      125   -17.90     -4.0      4.1      0.9    850.7     96.4    0.418     13.7      3.0
      150   -29.72     -5.5      5.9      1.1    834.0     92.7    0.507     16.6      3.1
      175   -44.66     -7.1      8.0      1.3    818.1     89.2    0.598     19.6      3.1
      200   -62.85     -8.7     10.4      1.4    802.8     85.9    0.691     22.6      3.1
 
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