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zac_ereman
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Posted: October/16/2009 at 12:07 |
Hey all.
I recently bought a Winchester Model 70 .30-06, and would like to get into precision hunting and deer hunting. I was wondering what kind of upgrades would be appropriate to improve the accuracy of this rifle.
Right now I am thinking about buying the following items:
Harris (S) bipod
Bushnell Trophy DOA 600 4-12X40MM scope
Timney adjustable trigger.
I have already bought the following items just for target shooting:
Rifle rest
Rear sand bag
And suggestions to what I am purchasing or any other upgrades that I would need?
I would like to be able to shoot out to at least 600 yards.
Thank you
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RONK
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A thousand rounds of ammo to shoot at targets out to 600 yards before you can ethically even think of hunting deer at that distance. Other than tons of practice, a good shooting sling and a good rangefinder should round you out pretty well as far as equipment goes.
I think the thousand rounds of practice ammo might get you to upgrading your scope, though.
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magshooter1
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I bet he doesn't get anywhere near a thousand before he upgrades.
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zac_ereman
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I wouldn't try shooting any animal from that distance unless I knew that I could drop it. At that distance, I would manily be target shooting. But, thank you for your advice.
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koshkin
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Sounds like a reasonable plan.
If you are new to shooting I would probably go with a different scope and stay away from complicated reticles. What is your budget for a scope? ILya
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RONK
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That's just exactly my point- you'll need to do a lot of 600-yard target shooting before you'll be able to know that you can consistently hit a deer in the lungs at that distance. I give this same advice every time I hear anyone talking about quarter-mile plus deer "hunting", and it always sounds condescending or preachy, which isn't my intention.. But I don't care as long as you eventually come to realize what it entails before gut-shooting half a dozen deer.
Friendly advice, glad you are taking it as such, and good luck to you in your quest.
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zac_ereman
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I know I can't reach 1000 yards with what I have right now. I only have a 3-9X40. Thats why I started this thread. I need to know what I should get. |
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zac_ereman
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I am not new to shooting, just shooting with this weapon and scopes. I can hit 300 yards with iron sights on an M16 in the Army. I have looked at a couple of scopes and I like the DOA from Bushnell and the ?BDC? from Nikon. I watched a great video on the latter scope. It was amazing that you zero to one distance and you can hit up to 500 yards without any problems.
As far as my budget goes: I am currently deployed to Afghanistan (deployment money is great), so I would probably drop about 1K on it.
I do like the Nikon 2.5-10x44 Tactical Mil-Dot too, but it comes with a nice pricetag as well.
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zac_ereman
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I forgot to post this link to the scope I talked about: Edited by koshkin - October/16/2009 at 14:02 |
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koshkin
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I am perhaps alone on this, but holdover reticles in second focal plane scopes only work well and easily in marketing videos. As far as reaching 1000 yards. I do not think the scope magnification is the limiting factor. People shoot out to 1000 yards with 10x scopes all the time. As it happens, 3-9x40 is a good configuration to start with, but I would go with a better scope than Trophy if you can afford it. Something along the lines of Bushnell Elite 4200, Sightron S2 Big Sky, Vortex Viper or Weaver Grand Slam would fit the bill perfectly: Any one of these is a major step up from the Trophy scope. ILya |
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zac_ereman
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What do you guys think about triggers?
Which one should I go for?
The Jewell, Timney, Rifle Basix?
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biggreen747
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If your budget allows for the Jewell go for it. If not do the Timney. It is easy to install yourself and easier on the bank account. I have on on my model 70 and love it..
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We measure it with a micrometer, mark it with a crayon, and cut it with a chainsaw.
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Kickboxer
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Scope: Zeiss Diavari 2.5-10x50
Trigger: depends on YOUR requirements... Jewell is the "top of the line", Timney has never let ME down, nor anyone I know who uses them. The best gunsmith I ever knew would only use Timney...
LOTS of ammo and targets. Forget about any long range hunting until you have fired at least a couple THOUSAND rounds at varying ranges between 600yds and your "max" range and proven to yourself that you can actually make a long range shot. Shot in wind whenever you can and find someone who knows something about LR shooting to help you in the process. Then, learn to get as close as you can before making a shot. You realistically will probably never NEED to make a game kill over 400-450 yards. There ARE opportunities for longer range, but they can usually be overcome with better hunting skills...
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biggreen747
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Kickboxer is right on the money... You need to shoot lots of ammo at REALLY LONG ranges.. Even then I doubt you will ever have to make many hunting shots that are that long.. I know there are people out there that can and do make those kind of shots and I hold nothing against them but for the vast majority of us (and I include myself in this category) I wouldn't even consider anything over 600yds. And while 300 or 400 yds may not seem far under controlled range conditions even shots in this range are really and truly long range shots in the field. Especially if the target is something like a small deer or antelope that you intend to take ethically and do not have the advantage of a steady rest in a box blind or elevated "treehouse" stand.
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We measure it with a micrometer, mark it with a crayon, and cut it with a chainsaw.
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zac_ereman
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Thanks.
I have looked into the Timney and will more than likey buy it, but I have read that you have to make modifications to the rifle. Is this true or does Timney have a "drop-in" trigger that requires no modifications?
Also, I wouldn't shoot an animal from over 500 yards, just going for targets at that and longer ranges.
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biggreen747
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Not sure about the newer M70 but on my New Haven action the pin that holds the bolt release had to be trimmed and/or replaced (I chose to trim mine). I had to do some stock work as well but that was due to the fact that I have an HSP Aluminum Block stock. Not sure about the factory stock.
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Kickboxer
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Timney's are supposed to be "drop in", but I have not run across one yet that did not require some work for installation. It is generally just a little filing, had to reconstruct a spring once, had to do some reshaping on a stock once, but it is minor stuff... just tedious.
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I have an old Model 70 and I like the regular old Winchester trigger.
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