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usmcsawgunner86
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So I'm kinda new to the whole looking for scope thing...we were issued scopes in the Marine Corps so I've never really needed to look for one. Well now I'm interested and have been looking around for a few months now and have stumbled across the XOTIC web site and I'm curious. Are they going to be for sale again soon? I read that SWFA will be the only distributor and was just looking for some more insight. This might be an old dead topic but please give this noob a little help. Thanks in advance
Dean
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Trays 7940
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Dean,
I have been waiting, for a while, on the XOTIC sniper scope. I have been told that there are a few around and that SWFA will carry them but the executives of XOTIC are holding up production. IDKW. Maybe there is some new information and your thread will open it up and make it public...
Welcome to the OT, by the way.
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Who Knows. I'm pretty happy with the price and quality of the 3-9x42 Super Sniper.
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Chris Farris
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They made their first scope to spec. for the USMC SSDS contract. They submitted ten test units to the trials and sold us roughly 200 to recoup their cost.
They started on a new scope for the Army and half way through scrapped it due to new emerging technologies. I don't know all the details but I think two scopes are coming out of this.
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usmcsawgunner86
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err...so is there an expected time or date that this will be available? If someone has one "just floating around" and is interested in sell it in these hard economic times feel free to pm me and we can get something together! Semper FI
Dean
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usmcsawgunner86
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welp...any good word?
im about to just cave and go with the weaver ffp mil dot for like 700 bucks
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Chris Farris
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I'd hold of on the Weaver until you see some reviews.
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koshkin
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Are the Weaver FFP scopes already shipping? ILya
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Chris Farris
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We've had them for a couple of weeks now.
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koshkin
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Any chance of one of them being available for a Test Drive?
ILya
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Not until supply meets demand.
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koshkin
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Sounds fair.
ILya
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Here is what info I have regarding the Weaver Tactical: 4-20 = 50MOA 3-15 = 60MOA These mildot scopes are graduated in MOA and the detents are 1/4 MOA. Detent clicks on the adjustment turrets are .25MOA (this 0.26 inches so very nearly 1/4" at 100 yards) Eye relief is 4in at 4x and 3.9in at 20x Parallax is 25 yards to infinity. My assessment is this: Weaver made the same mistake that Trijicon did with the TR23 series when they designed these scopes, of not putting sufficient internal adjustment in them to get a .308 bullet to a thousand yards while having a 100 yd zero. Take for example a 4.5-14x50 Leupold Mk4 has 100 moa of internal adjustment or an Nightforce 3.5-15x50 has 110 moa of elevation. I realize that most police sniper work is 60 to 120 yds but if you are interested in the military market or the civilian tactical competition/ target shooting market--guys who understand trajectory are looking for more internal adjustment. While you can use a plus 20 or plus 30 moa Badger Ordnance base on some rifles you still may not have the adjustment to be able to dial in correction from 100 yd to 1000 yd which is what guys expect in that type of optic. With a scope that has 50 moa of internal adjustment if a flat base was used that's half above and half below, in theory, so you have 25moa up to work with. With a 100 yd zero it should take about 26.7moa to get to 800 yds, 33moa to get to 900yds and 40moa to get to 1000 yds shooting GM308M2 Federal Gold Medal Match 175 SMK at 2600 fps. By using a plus 20 moa Badger base it becomes almost workable if you are lucky enough to be able to sight a 100 yd zero with that 5moa that is left of downward travel, but a plus 30 moa base throws you 5moa over at 100 in either case working at the outer limits of adjustment for very long is not a good plan. If on the other hand you designed the scope with 70moa or more of internal adjustment none of this would be an issue and the 3-15 model with 60moa is very close to having enough adjustment - not a lot to spare but well worth a try as the price is a good value. The eye relief sounds very generous as does parallax. Future generations should also consider using 1/10 mil clicks rather than 1/4 moa clicks. Not sure if these are FFP or second focal plane, but the trend is toward FFP mil / mil in tactical scopes. An upgrade to the mil dot reticle would be an improvement also. ATK advises:
Just wanted to pass along to you we are coming out with a higher end tactical line of scopes for mid to late season 2010 per a conversation I just had with Tom. I cannot provide you with any details yet on these as this information is unavailable but will have a much broader adjustment range as you are looking for and will be first focal plane. We are also releasing a proprietary mil dot reticle in 1st focal plane.
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Meanwhile back in the real world you can own one of these today and never regret having purchased it.
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From my experience 65 MOA is the minimum you need to reach 1000 yards and have a 100 yard zero with a .308. A 20 MOA base is needed like you said. Things do not always work out evenly with the way the scope is mounted so in some cases a little less may still work.
Some of these companies really are screwing the pooch with these scopes, really makes you wonder why. |
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The deal is they just dont get it. They say how far do police snipers shoot. Usually 60 to 80 yds so what do they want in a scope. Reliable Repeatable adjustments and variable power. They want to under price the guys who have been selling scopes " Leupold Mk4" but they dont see any need to make a scope for 1000 yds because everyone they know just shoots 100 yds or less. Only the military practices shooting further and most of the time they dont do that they set up a 25 meter target with small silouettes that represent what size a man would be out to 600 meters but they never dial in the correction on their sight to correspond to the distance - all the targets are shot with the sights on at the zero distance M16A2 = 300 meters.
Even a 50 moa is plenty to shoot 300 meters so they do not see a need to spend what it takes to build more adjustment into the scope. The Nikon Tacticals were short on adjustment also. The Sightron SIII has a good amount of adjustment and the Super Sniper has way more than anyone could even remotely hope for it's like they were built with enough adjustment to put it on a mortar.
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The Trijicon one made me laugh. They build ACOGs with a reticle drop out to 800 yards for a .223. Yet they build a precision rifle scope with only 50 MOA. lol WTF
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i got a come-up chart for my fiocchi exacta .30-06 rounds and at 1000 meters i need 148 clicks. thats approx 37 MOA. wouldnt a weaver tatical work then? im confused....
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Yea I spoke with them over that and I just did the same at ATK on the Weavers actually both companies have taken that to heart and are in the process of designing greatly improved tactical scopes. In a couple of years there will be some really really cool scopes come out. Or what I am really wondering about is like with cameras & digital cameras and video cameras when we are going to see the civilian version of the active video targeting scope. I have seen a photo of Chinese soldiers with helment mounted video that feeds from a video - scope on their rifle. We are behind the 8 ball on this stuff. Just take a video camera out in very low light and turn it on you can see like its night vision. All it takes is super imposing a reticle that is zeroed. We have the technology but its not seen in the civilian market. I know that my fifty thousand dollars worth of high end camera equipment turned to almost no value over night with the digital transition and I'm thinking video based rifle scopes are not far down the road likely with computer balistic programs built in. Think about that one Chris the SUPER SNIPER VIDEO TARGETING SYSTEM with optional helment mounted view screen. Just hold the rifle around the corner and shoot no need to expose yourself.
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