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rslamiroult
Optics Apprentice Joined: April/11/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 40 |
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Posted: June/23/2005 at 10:16 |
first handgun, sp armory black stainless or h&k usp in .45 and why?
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Mithran
Optics Journeyman Joined: April/04/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 310 |
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1911, all steel, custom parts are cheaper, more customizable, slimer frame, gun is cheaper.
H&K, polymer frame, 10 round magazine, thicker frame, decocker lever, expensive gun.
I've shot both. I like the 1911 better because the grip fits better, I prefer the single action, and I couldn't get used to the H&K magazine release down on the trigger guard.
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ranburr
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I sold my USP .45. I liked the grip, it was extremely reliable and fairly accurate. I hated the trigger, spare parts are non-existent, and H&K customer service is terrible. I prefer the 1911 to all others since I can easily customize it to fit my needs. The 1911 has a much nicer trigger, more accuracy, parts everywhere, and you have numerous choices of who to buy from.
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noddah
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Have we had this topic on another board?
It is very easy for me to teach a new shooter with a 1911 because of the trigger. Historically speaking 1911s have or could be finiky with ammo, mags, etc... but this is history for the most part.
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ranburr
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Try and get that USP expert trigger from H&K. I hope you have better luck than I did. I carried mine cocked and locked and it was manageable, but still not what I would call a good trigger. The best thing about the USP is that it is just incredibley reliable. I went through a phase where I just never cleaned it so I could see how many rounds it would fire before a malfunction. I never got there after literally thousands of rounds of ammo. The gun is good, but I am spoiled by 1911s.
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koshkin
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Both 1911s and HKs are good guns, but I still prefer my Sig P220. Never jams and fit my hand like a glove. I got used to DA/SA action pretty quickly so that was not a problem.
HK also has a comfortable grip, but I had a hard time getting used to the mag release. An additional factor is that I've seen some smaller handed people (like my wife) accidentally release an HK magazine when shooting two handed.
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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I also like the Sig P220 for a carry gun, That said I had an H&K P9s target in 45acp with polygon bore that I really loved and it shot extremely well but you couldn't find magazines for it. I carried a 1911 as a duty weapon in the 80s but it had been gone over by an extremely good gunsmith to assure it would reliably feed hollowpoints. You can certainly find more people who think they can work on the 1911 than any other pistol but only a few of them will be competent. The H&K and the Sig P220 should both work flawlessly out of the box as should a Glock (fat) 45acp. If I were going in to a building after multiple bad guys I would advise the coroner to standby and would take the single action 1911 but if I were dealing with suspects I needed to hold a gun point and attempt to arrest I would want a double action. That said I carry a Glock 22 in 40 S&W every day for the state and I do not feel that I am at a disadvantage of any kind, but I have always been a 45acp guy so buy what you like and spend the money that it takes to buy enough ammo to know how your pistol works, and buy at least 4 additional magazines.
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carolinaflats
Optics Apprentice Joined: December/14/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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For a first handgun I think the HK would make a better choice because it allows you to explore different carry and shooting methods since it can be used as a Double action first shot with single action follow-up shots(DA/SA), or carried cocked and locked with all single action shots. The HK also offers more round capacity but will probably have a bit more percieved recoil with the polymer frame. I do think 1911's are a bit more comfortable in the hand(USP's feel kinda chunky and thick but not to the point of being uncomfortable). I have a SA 1911 and a HK USP .40 and enjoy shooting both very much. Either would make a fine choice for your first. Good luck. |
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