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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

I have noticed something of a different nature...... when I'm at the bench, recoil is much more pronounced than when I'm in the field!  And I think perceived recoil sometimes differs from session to session, not sure if this is influenced by "weather" conditions such as pressure, humidity or wind.  just my .02 cents.
the more locked in  the shooter the more the preceived recoil, shoot your 06 standing then on the next shot back up against a tree, this will "drive home" the importance of recoil velocity in the condition. No way would I rest against anything when I shoot my 416 Rem. even benching requires considerable conviction.l
 
Yeah I guess that would knock the fuzz of the peaches.
 
Even at a bench and prone the recoil is way different, with more being at the bench "to me anyways".
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Here in upstate NY we hunt deer with shotguns loaded with sabot or rifled slugs. When sighting in at the bench the recoil will knock your socks off after a couple of shots, it's comparable or more than a 375 H&H but when shooting that same gun in the woods at a big buck you feel nothing, go figure!
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The adrenaline sure helps tame the recoil!
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One of the things people who shoot a lot of really hard-kicking rifles (.375 H&H and up) often do is shooting off a stand-up bench. This allows the body to be much more flexible than over the typical sit-down bench. The first time I hunted in Africa, in fact, the safaro company had a very fine, all-concrete stand-up bench. It was a pleasure to shoot my .375.
 
In fact just using a higher rest than is typical on a sit-down bench helps a lot. Most American shooters get really low and lean into their rifles. This makes shooting steadier, but with anything bigger than a .243 can be miserable, depending on the stock design and load.  One of the reasons the Midway Lead Sled reduces felt recoil so much is that it's HIGHER than the typical rest most of us use. In fact I don't even add any weight to a Lead Sled when testing .40+ caliber African rifles, because the weight of the sled itself and the height makes so much difference.
 
Also, a lot of the nasty recoil sensation from shotguns (whether we're patterning them or sighting-in slug loads) is due to light weight and (when using scopes) the fact that the buttstock is too down-angled, so the darn gun tends to rise and whack us in the cheek. This is also true of a lot of factory rifle stocks, especially the Ruger No. 1.
 
A No. 1 is MUCH more comfortable to shoot if it isn't scoped, because then our cheek is down on the comb of the stock, instead of an inch or so above it. For a while I shot a No. 1 .375 H&H on African game, using both a scope and an aperture sight. The rifle felt a LOT better when shot with the aperture sight, even when using full-power 300-grain loads at 2600 fps. This was despite the rifle weighing about a pound less than it did with a scope. The real difference was how high above the stock my cheek ended up when the rifle was scoped.
 
Some claim that the "classic" style stock with a straight, high comb reduces felt recoil, but that is only for some people, mostly men who typically have short necks and square shoulders. My wife has the typical woman's long neck and sloping shoulders, and the butt-pad of a "classic" stock ends up with the bottom (toe) of the stock right in the middle of her shoulder joint. Even with a very soft pad it doesn't feel good.
 
Last year she had a custom stock made to fit her by a knowledgable guy. It ended up being a high Monte Carlo with a very different angle to the recol pad (more pitch) than with a typical classic stock. The rifle is a 6-1/2 pound .308 and she finds it very comfortable to shoot, more comfortable than her straight-stocked .257 Roberts that also weighs 6-1/2 pounds. This isn't the way things are supposed to work but there it is.
 
I am a typical square-shouldered, short-necked male and find her little .308 miserable to shoot!
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I agree. So why did she pick me?

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Originally posted by John Barsness John Barsness wrote:

One of the things people who shoot a lot of really hard-kicking rifles (.375 H&H and up) often do is shooting off a stand-up bench. This allows the body to be much more flexible than over the typical sit-down bench. The first time I hunted in Africa, in fact, the safaro company had a very fine, all-concrete stand-up bench. It was a pleasure to shoot my .375.
 
In fact just using a higher rest than is typical on a sit-down bench helps a lot. Most American shooters get really low and lean into their rifles. This makes shooting steadier, but with anything bigger than a .243 can be miserable, depending on the stock design and load.  One of the reasons the Midway Lead Sled reduces felt recoil so much is that it's HIGHER than the typical rest most of us use. In fact I don't even add any weight to a Lead Sled when testing .40+ caliber African rifles, because the weight of the sled itself and the height makes so much difference.
 
Also, a lot of the nasty recoil sensation from shotguns (whether we're patterning them or sighting-in slug loads) is due to light weight and (when using scopes) the fact that the buttstock is too down-angled, so the darn gun tends to rise and whack us in the cheek. This is also true of a lot of factory rifle stocks, especially the Ruger No. 1.
 
A No. 1 is MUCH more comfortable to shoot if it isn't scoped, because then our cheek is down on the comb of the stock, instead of an inch or so above it. For a while I shot a No. 1 .375 H&H on African game, using both a scope and an aperture sight. The rifle felt a LOT better when shot with the aperture sight, even when using full-power 300-grain loads at 2600 fps. This was despite the rifle weighing about a pound less than it did with a scope. The real difference was how high above the stock my cheek ended up when the rifle was scoped.
 
Some claim that the "classic" style stock with a straight, high comb reduces felt recoil, but that is only for some people, mostly men who typically have short necks and square shoulders. My wife has the typical woman's long neck and sloping shoulders, and the butt-pad of a "classic" stock ends up with the bottom (toe) of the stock right in the middle of her shoulder joint. Even with a very soft pad it doesn't feel good.
 
Last year she had a custom stock made to fit her by a knowledgable guy. It ended up being a high Monte Carlo with a very different angle to the recol pad (more pitch) than with a typical classic stock. The rifle is a 6-1/2 pound .308 and she finds it very comfortable to shoot, more comfortable than her straight-stocked .257 Roberts that also weighs 6-1/2 pounds. This isn't the way things are supposed to work but there it is.
 
I am a typical square-shouldered, short-necked male and find her little .308 miserable to shoot!

i usually always place at least one 25lb bag of shot on my sled, simply to keep the front of it from jumping off the bench. i totally agree on the standing bench!
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Originally posted by John Barsness John Barsness wrote:

I agree. So why did she pick me?



Ah yes, the mysteries of a woman, I ask my wife that same question at least once a week.
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To have the wonderful wife I do, I am the luckiest person on earth.  I use a "rule" from acquisition... "if you don't want the answer, don't ask the question".  I just revel in my luck...

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Smart and destructive!  Thats a dangerous combination.  You are indeed a very lucky man, you have met your match in every way and not only does she love you, she allows you to be you or at least allows you tro think so. Wink
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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

... or at least allows you tro think so. Wink
 
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Excellent stuff.  I went skeet shooting once... had a 60% hit percentage... but boy my shoulder hurt like crazy.
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He is a link to another recoil table , I shot a 460 Weatherby Magnum once that was enough.
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  Hey Duce,can you put the feeling into words?
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kicked in the shoulder by chuck norris?
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Since I was wearing a just a light shirt at the time something like  *%#@Ouch that hurt comes to mind
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Thunbs Up   I guess that would be ok if he'd autograph the damage.
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Tips for Ick:
 
1.  If  you lift your elbow HIGH as you bring the shotgun up, and then pull it back into your shoulder, you will create a pocket to cushion the shot.  If you bring the gun up with a LOW elbow, you won't have this "pocket" and the shot will hurt.  You can actually feel the difference by trying this without a shotgun.   Simply put your left hand on your right shoulder between your neck and your arm and try it both ways.
 
2.  If you think skeet shooting is bad (it isn't), you should try trap!  In skeet you move with the gun, which makes your body more flexible.  In trap, you are more stationary, and catch more recoil as a result.  That's one reason so many old trap shooters have bursitis!
 
3.  One ounce of shot with the right load and choke will do just about everything a shotgun needs to do.  The only exception is waterfowl with steel shot.  (I found this out 40 years ago because of a serious shoulder operation.)
 
Unfortunately, most Americans are still buying (and most stores are still selling) 1 1/8,  1 1/4, and heavier 12 gauge loads that kick like a Missouri mule.
 
Take it from me...A miss with a 3" magnum is still a miss!  A hit with the right 1 ounce load and choke will bring down anything within 40 yards.  (Before steel shot was required, we shot a lot of Canada geese out to 50 yards with 1 ounce Winchester buffered loads, #4 shot, and 20 gauges .  My records show that one shot was enough in almost every case.   You just have to hit 'em right!  Of course, we patterned our guns and picked our loads accordingly.  We also did a whole lot of skeet shooting, so our shotgun skills were up to  speed.)      
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