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Sandracer
Optics Apprentice Joined: January/11/2009 Location: Eastern Oregon Status: Offline Points: 141 |
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I have a Model 70 in 300 Wby that has been giving me fits and I'm thinking the scope could be the problem. It originally shot horizontal groups around 1 3/4" to 2 " which I figured was a bedding issue. After completely bedding a platsic stock and that didn't work, I installed a new laminated stock and completely bedded it. Still no cigar, I've screwed with this rifle till I'm blue in the face. As I think back, it had Leupolds on it at first and I went to other brands since while trying to improve this beast, but it has now gone to vertical stringing 3 inch groups with all loads. This gun kicks lick real bastage so maybe these variables are coming apart! If I find it is the scope I may just put on a good 6 power that really has good glass and is known for taking punishment. How bout the new FX-3?
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300S&W
Optics God Joined: January/27/2008 Location: Burlington,WV Status: Offline Points: 10592 |
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This oughta work:
Can't try one of your old tried and true Leupolds to test out your rifle?
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"I ain't got time to bleed!"
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Sandracer
Optics Apprentice Joined: January/11/2009 Location: Eastern Oregon Status: Offline Points: 141 |
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I'm going to send off one of the Leo's for a refurbish as it has the friction adjustments and they are loose enough to turn without a coin. (was on my 340 Wby and shot well). I have a brand new 4200 I'll put on it to see. If it is the scope I will lose my faith in the brand I have on it! I will not bash the scope at all without real proof! If it is bad this will be the second of this brand to kick my azz and will be the last! (not a Bushnell). How could the Vari-X-II stand up to the 340 though, but it did and shot great groups! Most of the time I am hunting my scope is on 6 and stays there, I was just thinking the new Leupold fx-3 might be really clear and solid. The only thing I don't know is if it would be enough light early or late in the day as that's where I tuned the variables down.
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300S&W
Optics God Joined: January/27/2008 Location: Burlington,WV Status: Offline Points: 10592 |
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I've read nothing but positive posts on Leupold 6x42's of all models. Alot of guys have gone to it as an all-around scope with no mention of short comings. Hopefully some will post for us.
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"I ain't got time to bleed!"
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seawolf
Optics Apprentice Joined: February/11/2008 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 109 |
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Why, why, why do Leupold offer the 4x33 with Duplex/Wide Duplex only......
If this scope could be had with eighter a Heavy Duplex, or better still, a German #4, I would put one on top of my 375 Ruger tomorrow!
As many have mentioned, the low mag fixed scopes are great on heavy rifles.
But alas, so few to pick from, and if I find one like the Leupold 4x33, only the flimsy Duplex is available.
Stalking dense cover with dark shadows, shooting distances under 150 meters and perhaps moving game, a more bold reticle always give the edge compared to the thin Duplex imo.
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Roy Finn
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Pretty sure you can go through the Leupold Custom Shop and get the reticle you are looking for.
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koshkin
MODERATOR Dark Lord of Optics Joined: June/15/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13181 |
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After first talking to John about hard kicking rifles I figured I should at that test to my regular regimen of scope abuse. At first I though I'd get a 338Lapua of some sort since I am generally interested in long range shooting, but that is provign out to be an expensive project with very few suitable rifles available for the money I can spend.
I think I will end up buying a sporter weight 338Winmag or 375H&H instead. Alternatively, I could send scope for testing to Kickboxer, but I am worried that even if his rifle does not break it, he will. Decisions decisions.... I like Mausers, so the front runner for now is CZ American Safari Magnum in 375H&H. Now I just need to figure out how to sneak another rifle in while my wife is not looking... ILya
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RONK
Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: April/05/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3199 |
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If I were going to test scopes for relative durability against recoil, ("relative" in relation to how other scopes hold up), I would build some sort of a vertical fixture with a weighted sliding carriage on which was fixed a Picatinny rail. Mount the scope to the rail with the objective end facing down, pick it up and let the carriaige drop against a stop set in the concrete. Repeatedly. From various heights, etc. And then, by reversing the position of the objective end, you could also see how it would hold up to the reciprocal recoil of Spring-piston airguns, and semi-auto bolt slam. It would save you a fortune in ammo costs, and time if you mechanized the system to work on tearing up the scope while you mowed your lawn or whatever.
Or you could just mount the scope to a jackhammer and make a few bucks on the side ripping up old parking lots!
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koshkin
MODERATOR Dark Lord of Optics Joined: June/15/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13181 |
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That would be feasible of course, but I still think actually shooting the rifle is more fun. ILya
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RONK
Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: April/05/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3199 |
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What does fun have to do with it?
You're a hard-working professional, Ilya. You're not supposed to have fun until the workday is OVER!
(You are right of course...and it gives you an excuse to buy a new rifle instead of a jackhammer!)
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pyro6999
Optics Retard OT TITAN Joined: December/22/2006 Location: North Dakota Status: Offline Points: 22034 |
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ive got a .375H&H as well. |
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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Kickboxer
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Taz will be good...
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seawolf
Optics Apprentice Joined: February/11/2008 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 109 |
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I know I would, but I still feel that thy should offer a more bold reticle in such a scope in the first place.
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Seawolf
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wileykia2506
Optics GrassHopper Joined: July/21/2009 Location: Hanover Indiana Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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I don't have experience; but I know for a fact that the Bushnell Elite 3200 design is test proven to withstand 1000 rounds of recoil from a .375 H&H Mag; but even better than that; the Elite 4200 design is test proven to withstand 10,000 rounds of recoil from that punishing cartridge. Weaver Scopes are made in the same facility(Light Optical Works, Japan); and they claim on their website that their fixed power K-series scopes are built to withstand 10,000 rounds of recoil from the .375 also.
Great Article
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davelandefeld
Optics GrassHopper Joined: March/11/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 36 |
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I'm with Seawolf on this one.
It blows my mind that the FX-3 6X42 isn't available with the German #4 reticle without going through the custom shop.
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Oldtrader3
Optics Journeyman Joined: May/16/2009 Location: WA (state) Status: Offline Points: 445 |
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Good article John, as usual.
The older Leupold 2.5-8x36. VX-III's held up on my .338 WM and .375 H&H as well. I shot a lot of 275 Speer bullets in the .338 WM practicing for jungle hunting for Roosevelt elk on the Olympic Peninsula. They must be rugged scopes, especially for a variable. Low mass=low inertia, plus strong construction. It is too bad that all these hunters use the FX-3, 6x42 Leupold and they don't offer the German #4 reticle. I guess they are too busy "refraction matching" lenses.
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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I have a light weight .375 H& H Encore stainless with Leupold dual dovetail rings with a Leupold FX3 6x42 Heavy Duplex on top, and it works very nicely and is light enough to carry hunting all day.
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Deadly Tedly
Optics GrassHopper Joined: August/09/2009 Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Anyone know anything about the Barska 6-24x60 Swat Extreme Tactical 30mm Scope? Do you think it will hold up to a 50BMG?
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Voodoo6
Optics Apprentice Now With Kung-Fu Grip! Joined: March/29/2009 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 213 |
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If the question is about "durability" the answer is rarely, if ever, Barska.
Your money would be much better spent on a Super Sniper, IMHO.
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Kickboxer
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Even with a muzzlebrake, I have doubts that Barska would stand up to a .50BMG. I've seen rapid failures on far "lesser" weapons.
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