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    Posted: June/17/2009 at 21:47
Check out the S&W website, they are offering some revolvers without that stupid politically correct integral lock. Maybe they are finally coming to their senses and paying attention to their customers instead of the socialists in Congress!
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did you see the new tactical .357 pistol they are putting out?? 8 shots with a rail setup. looked pretty sharp.
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Just read an article about it ..sweet  looking piece
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Finally a step in the right direction.Thunbs Up
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Horsemany Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/29/2009 at 18:58
Now they just need to loose all those cast parts and we can go back to the good ole days.(I'm not holding my breath, but we can all dream)
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Originally posted by Horsemany Horsemany wrote:

Now they just need to loose all those cast parts and we can go back to the good ole days.(I'm not holding my breath, but we can all dream)
You have it right on the money.  S and W has gone way down hill for quite some time with their revolvers.  I would take a Ruger any day, or for that matter, even a Taurus.  If I could afford it, a Colt or Freedom Arms.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BeltFed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/30/2009 at 09:13
Depends on who you talk to. I have a friend who is kind of a S&W collector, He says that with their new machines S&W revolvers are actually better and stronger than the older guns. I like the older hand fitted revolvers myself, but they have their problems too.
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The main problem I've encountered was relatively soft cast parts in critical places.   Gunsmiths cannot polish critical trigger components because they are now cast and lack sufficient depth of hardness...ie "if I stone & polish it I'll probably go through the hardening" was what I was told.  The trigger itself should have been left alone IMO.  The other way they've gone downhill is aesthetics IMO.  The 686's come to mind where the barrel and underlug have a vastly different level of polish than the frame. 
 
I'll admit anyone who's never owned or handled a S&W from the glory years probably wouldn't know what they were missing.


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Case hardening on the old triggers and hammers was very thin and they could not be polished either, so nothing has changed there.
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The Smith triggers and hammers are MIM and not cast. It is now, and in the past,  possible to have a bad batch of MIM parts. They can definitely be hardened and worked on.
I'll still take my four and five screw models, but S&W still makes some very fine revolvers. Some junk, too.
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Yes they are MIM.  I refer to MIM and cast as kinda the same thing.  Technically you are certainly correct.  The 2 trusted gunsmiths I use have both told me it's harder to do a good trigger job on the new S&W's.  They both have a low opinion of the new "MIM" parts compared to the older stuff.  I trust their opinion on the matter. 
 
One gunsmith showed me an example of why he dislikes MIM S&W's.  The cylinder release latch on of the new S&W's he was working on.  He showed how that part is on the borderline of being too big to be MIM'ed because they can warp as they cool.  So the flat edge that mated to the frame was cupped or "c" shaped.  I've noticed this on a LOT of other S&W''s since he mentioned it.  Certainly different looking quality than my early 80's model 29.
 
 
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