OpticsTalk by SWFA, Inc. Homepage SWFA     SampleList.com
Forum Home Forum Home > Scopes > Rifle Scopes
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Z6 or Prof. Hunter for 30-06
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Visit the SWFA.com site to check out our current specials.

Z6 or Prof. Hunter for 30-06

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <123>
Author
Message
Agustinmx View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice
Avatar

Joined: September/12/2008
Status: Offline
Points: 67
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Agustinmx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/25/2009 at 19:34

I am so sad !!!  
Just bought a Zeiss Diavari 6-24x56mm Illuminated Z-1000 ( in January before swaro released the 3-18X  Z6) , and it went on my blaser 270 Wby Mag because I felt that  the Diavari 3-12x56 Illuminated that had before was a little underpowered for shooting/hunting at long range.....


However The 3-12x had an amazing low light performance, but I felt it need a little more power, but the 6-24X that I have now is overpowered ( x's) and doesn't compare in brightness with 3-12X,  with the new one it is be very hard to find any target at less than 200yds. I think it's more suitable for tactical purposes or target shooting. what a mistake.......
So I think the new swarovski Z6 3-18X will be the ultimate scope due to the magnification range that makes it suitable for almost all hunting situations, besides its Illuminated reticle seems that  works on both day and low light unlike the zeiss one....





Back to Top
JF4545 View Drop Down
Optics Master
Optics Master
Avatar

Joined: March/31/2009
Location: Washington
Status: Offline
Points: 2753
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JF4545 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/25/2009 at 19:42
What do you think the new Swaro Z5 3x18x44 will be like compared to the Newer Z6 3x18 you speak of? I hope the Z5 has good low light performance as well, your thoughts??

Thanks!

JF
Back to Top
mike650 View Drop Down
Optics God
Optics God
Avatar

Joined: May/14/2006
Location: West of Rockies
Status: Offline
Points: 14569
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mike650 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/25/2009 at 19:43
Originally posted by Agustinmx Agustinmx wrote:


I am so sad !!!  
Just bought a Zeiss Diavari 6-24x56mm Illuminated Z-1000 ( in January before swaro released the 3-18X  Z6) , and it went on my blaser 270 Wby Mag because I felt that  the Diavari 3-12x56 Illuminated that had before was a little underpowered for shooting/hunting at long range.....


However The 3-12x had an amazing low light performance, but I felt it need a little more power, but the 6-24X that I have now is overpowered ( x's) and doesn't compare in brightness with 3-12X,  with the new one it is be very hard to find any target at less than 200yds. I think it's more suitable for tactical purposes or target shooting. what a mistake.......
So I think the new swarovski Z6 3-18X will be the ultimate scope due to the magnification range that makes it suitable for almost all hunting situations, besides its Illuminated reticle seems that  works on both day and low light unlike the zeiss one....







Your Zeiss is an excellent scope but you maybe right, it appears to be more of a specialty scope. I really like the Zeiss Rapid-Z reticles (600, 800, & 1000). Which reticle were you looking at....had you purchased the Swaro z6i 3-18??


You can always try to make a trade with SWFA. They'll give you a fair price for your Zeiss. Thunbs Up


Edited by mike650 - May/25/2009 at 19:51
“A hunt based only on trophies taken falls far short of what the ultimate goal should be.” – Fred Bear
Back to Top
brodeur272 View Drop Down
Optics Journeyman
Optics Journeyman
Avatar

Joined: September/23/2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 609
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote brodeur272 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/25/2009 at 20:29
I think it's back to cost and preference.  I ahve several PH series and Kahles C/CB/CBX/CLs.  The only reason I have tham is due to the Sample List and models being discontinued.  For me, that was more of a deciding factor.  They're all good though.  I was able to get two for teh price of one...
Back to Top
kelly1278 View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice


Joined: May/04/2009
Status: Offline
Points: 53
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kelly1278 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/03/2009 at 19:56
how do the optics on the swarovski pv compare to z6 and where does kahles cl fit in
Back to Top
brodeur272 View Drop Down
Optics Journeyman
Optics Journeyman
Avatar

Joined: September/23/2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 609
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote brodeur272 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/04/2009 at 10:47
I can't speak for the Z6, but the CL and the PH scopes are pretty close to my eyes, they both look the same level.
Back to Top
308WIN View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice


Joined: February/28/2009
Status: Offline
Points: 120
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 308WIN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/03/2009 at 08:35
Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

I see no need for an all around scope to have a 50mm objective.  I'd put the Zeiss Diavari 2.5-10x42 as the best riflescope on the planet right now.  To each his own.


The biggest difference between the z6 and Victory is the price. It seems Swaro just had a huge jump in cost vs the Victory.

Optics wise it's so close your splitting the splitting of hairs. Head to Head, between the two, it really comes down to features, name recognition, and what works better through your eyes.



biggest difference to me is 1st plane vs 2nd plane reticle and swaro doesnt exhibit tunnel effect on lowest powers. The zeiss 2.5-10 (i have one) does have tunnel effect from about 2.5x-3.25x and some vidnetting at the extreme low end. The swaro doesnt have that but to me its not wort hpaying more for the swaro plus the FFP reticle in #4 is bolder than what swaro offers
Back to Top
CREDITMAN View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper


Joined: July/27/2009
Status: Offline
Points: 10
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CREDITMAN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/03/2009 at 18:18
[QUOTE=JackTheRipper]anyone have any opinions on the 3-12x50 Habicht PV plex Swarovski?

or should I just save up for the Z6 2-12x50?
 


You do know that you are comparing a FFP scope (3-12x50 PH) to a SFP scope (Z6).
Back to Top
JackTheRipper View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: May/18/2009
Status: Offline
Points: 38
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JackTheRipper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/04/2009 at 11:37
hmmm no?

what's that mean?
Back to Top
CREDITMAN View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper


Joined: July/27/2009
Status: Offline
Points: 10
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CREDITMAN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/04/2009 at 15:17
[QUOTE=JackTheRipper]hmmm no?

what's that mean?
 
The reticle in a 1st focal plane (FFP) scope increases in size as you increase magnification.  The space on the target that is covered by the reticle remains the same as you increase magnification because the size of the target is increasing as well  viewed thru the scope.  The reticle in a 2nd focal plane (SFP) scope remains the same size at all magnifications. 
Back to Top
JackTheRipper View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: May/18/2009
Status: Offline
Points: 38
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JackTheRipper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/04/2009 at 19:43
so is one superior?
Back to Top
SamC View Drop Down
Optics Professional
Optics Professional
Avatar

Joined: October/01/2007
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 902
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SamC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/04/2009 at 20:28

If you were shooting targets or small game at long range you might want one with a SFP because as CREDITMAN correctly points out as you crank up the power in the FFP your reticle seems to grow and you might cover up too much of a small target, although I’ve never had that problem. For big game hunting in low light I’d give the nod to FFP. Only one of my scopes is FFP and it took some getting used to but I now like it better than my SFP scopes for all around use. Look through both to see for yourself which you like best or better yet, do what I do, buy whichever one you get a better deal onBig Grin

Sam


Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Winston Churchill
Back to Top
JackTheRipper View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: May/18/2009
Status: Offline
Points: 38
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JackTheRipper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/04/2009 at 20:40
hmmm I was leaning towards the Z6i 2-12x50...

swaro doesnt' make anything in ffp illuminated...

hmmmm i've asked this 1,000 times, is it worth it to get the illumination?

thanks,

Jack
Back to Top
SamC View Drop Down
Optics Professional
Optics Professional
Avatar

Joined: October/01/2007
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 902
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SamC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/04/2009 at 23:15
I have never used an illuminated scope, anyone with experience using illumination feel free to chime in!
Sam

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Winston Churchill
Back to Top
CREDITMAN View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper


Joined: July/27/2009
Status: Offline
Points: 10
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CREDITMAN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/05/2009 at 08:27
Originally posted by JackTheRipper JackTheRipper wrote:

so is one superior?
 
It depends on who you are talking to.  I agree with SamC, for big game hunting in low light, I'd give the nod to FFP.  In my opinion,  a fine crosshair in a SFP will washout in low light.  Whereas the reticle in a FFP will get bolder as you crank up the power which makes it more visible in low light.  My favorite scope is a Swarovski 3-12x50 PH with TDS reticle (no longer offered) .  The TDS reticle is a ranging reticle, when combined with a FFP scope, gives you accurate aiming points no matter what magnification.   I just purchased a Trijicon (SFP) 3-9x40 with crosshairs & amber aiming point to be mounted on a Remington R-15.  I plan on using this scope to shoot beavers in very low light.  A FFP scope with a bold reticle would not work for this use as a beaver's head swimming in a pond at dark is a small target.  So I guess neither system is superior.  It depends on personal preference & how you plan on using the scope. 
Back to Top
brodeur272 View Drop Down
Optics Journeyman
Optics Journeyman
Avatar

Joined: September/23/2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 609
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote brodeur272 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/05/2009 at 11:01
I have a Kahles FFP CBX 2.5-10x50 Illum. Reticle (as well as a Swaro PH 2.5-10x42).  The illumination really helps only near sunset or at nite.  The FFP is nice on larger game at low light as you can see the reticle clearly.  It would be tougher on smaller game.  There are still PH scopes out there to be had.  I have spoken with Swaro and they will convert a PH to an illuminated reticle for around 400$ if they have all the materials-they'd have to check. 
 
I'd give them a call and see what they have, then find a PH that you can look through.  the price difference between that and a Z6 will keep some money in your pocket.
 
My 0.02...
Back to Top
JackTheRipper View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper
Avatar

Joined: May/18/2009
Status: Offline
Points: 38
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JackTheRipper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/05/2009 at 12:20
creditman, you say a SFP will washout in low light (when the reticle is fine), would the illumination solve this problem?

so if I had to choose between the Swaro PV 3-12x50 or the Z6i 2-12x50 for all around hunting, which should I get?

I want this scope to be very versatile, say if I wanted to deer hunt in NC I could, or hunt in montana, germany, spain, africa, etc

thanks! you guys are really helping me so much!
Back to Top
Agustinmx View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice
Avatar

Joined: September/12/2008
Status: Offline
Points: 67
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Agustinmx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/05/2009 at 18:08
IMO If you plan to hunt abroad or going to a high performance hunt, you are better equiped with an illuminated reticle, specially the swaro z6, which you can use on both daylight and low light. It can be very helpful in a quick shot by locating the center of the reticle against the shoulder of your pray, in the brush, low light or moving target.....


Back to Top
CREDITMAN View Drop Down
Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper


Joined: July/27/2009
Status: Offline
Points: 10
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CREDITMAN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/05/2009 at 18:42

I have no experience with a illuminated reticle.  I can see where it could be helpful in low light situations as Agustinmx has stated above.  I have read on this site & others that you have to be careful with battery powered reticles in low light situations.  If the light intensity is set too high, it will diminish your low light or night vision.  One scope that you might consider is the Zeiss Victory Varipoint.  They have started offering this scope with the reticle in the FFP & an illuminated aiming point in the SFP.  It's called the #60i reticle.  Their website gives a press release with details.  This would give you a reticle that gets bolder as you increase magnification and an illuminated aiming point that stays the same size at all manifications.  I have not seen one of these but it would seem to give you the best of both types.

Back to Top
Texas View Drop Down
Optics Apprentice
Optics Apprentice
Avatar

Joined: February/11/2008
Location: Texas, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 211
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Texas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/05/2009 at 21:55
Jack, I just got a Z6i 2.5-15x56 with the 4A reticle. I can tell you that the reticle is very fine, it will be hard to see in low light, but I believe the illuminated dot will solve that issue. I love the optics, the low light function is right there with Zeiss and I think better than Kahles - definitely far beyond Leupold VX-3 or Bushnell Elite 4200 class (that is all I have compared it with - in a nonscientific way.). I got the ballistic turrets, they will solve long range shots if you are up to the distance. And lifetime warranty on all but the electronics through Swarovski North America. What's not to like?

I think you would be very happy with a Z6i. Sample List did have a new 2-12x50 with the old model ballistic reticle at a good price too, but I don't know if it is still unsold.

Hope this helps. Good shooting!

Texas
"There are some things which cannot be learned quickly and time, which is all we have, must be paid heavily for their acquiring. They are the very simplest things..." Ernest Hemingway
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <123>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.01
Copyright ©2001-2018 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.113 seconds.