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    Posted: June/03/2009 at 12:39
Awsome review, I agree with everything you said. I don't know if you remember, but i emailed you back in early January about some good mid priced binoculars & you recommended these. I bought 4 pairs and had them shipped from the uk, their prices did
not go up until the end of january. I got them for like 335 a piece with shipping factored in.
The main draw back for me on these binos, like you was that the focus wheel was very stiff.
I tested all 4 pairs and they were all like this.  I have spent several nights, while watching t.v., rotating the wheel back and forth trying to get it loosen. I was hoping since that they were new, that they just need to get the lubricant spread around, but that is not the case.
I compared them to my swaro el 8.5x42, kahles 8x32 and my wifes leica ultravid 10x42 and pentax  sp 8x43. I really loved them and have since sold my kahles. I basicly wanted a great backup pair to bow hunt with and keep in the truck.
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  Quote SChunter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/03/2009 at 15:36
v-train--are you up for selling one of your pairs of Hawkes?  send a pm if interested.
 
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  Quote v-train Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/04/2009 at 07:46
i sold all but one pair, the one i wanted to keep for myself. look around you might can get a better deal in the u.k.. all of the prices are in pounds. they include a v.a.t. (value added tax)
of 15%. take the pound price reduce by 15% (you don't have to pay this, if in the u.s.) then
multiply by the exchange rate and add in shipping. the shipping fees were not bad at all. my 4 pair were shipped by royal air mail for only like 12 bucks. i got them in like 4 or 5 business days. i could not beleive it. i got mine from a place called cox the saddler.com it
is like a tractor supply in the uk i think. good luck.
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  Quote koshkin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/04/2009 at 09:09
One thing I would like to piont out is that while you may save a little money by buying a grey market ite, you are voluntarily giving up some things, like warranty support, for example.  Is it worth the money difference?  that's the judgement call.

Personally, I stay away from grey market stuff given a choice.  Part of that is for warranty considerations, but partly I want to support the US part of the operation.  They are the ones who are working hard to expand in the US market and drive future producct development to better match the US market.

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  Quote SChunter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/04/2009 at 09:25
Thanks; I agree Ilya.
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  Quote v-train Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/04/2009 at 13:11
i did not give up anything by buying them there. that is where these binos were first sold,
in the u.k.  that is what made me search there in the first place. i called hawke yesterday (the u.s. branch) and went over the issue of the rough focus wheel, their response : i will have to email the folks across the pond to resolve this issue. 
 
he was very helpful, i just thought i would see if they could offer a solution to the problem. i am going to keep them reguardless, i just wanted to see if something could be done. it never hurts to ask. i don't want a new pair or anything, i just was wondering if there was some way to make it move smoother. i really was supprised after playing with them for several nights, it did not loosen up. the kahles i sold, i had purchased on the sample list several years back. when i got them the focus was the same way, but after several nights of moving it back and forth, it broke free. maybe this will happen with the hawke, i will keep trying. i have a 1 year old little girl that is into everything. right now i just don't have as much time to play with binos, but it is worth it.
 
i informed the fella, at hawke, right off the bat that i purchased them in the u.k. and that was a non issue. they should stand behind their brand regardless of where it comes from. you got yours in the u.s. and apparently had the same problem.
 
hey, i am usa all the way, but i work hard for my money and saving $134 per binocular was a big deal to me. that comes to a total savings of $536 for all 4. i guess being an accountant makes me more of a tight wad than some people.  hee, hee.
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  Quote Duce Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/04/2009 at 15:52
Thanks for taking the time for a great review very informative as always
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  Quote RifleDude Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/08/2009 at 14:17
I'm the person that Koshkin sent his Hawke Frontier ED binoculars to for evaluation, as he mentioned in his review (nice review, by the way, Ilya!).  I've now had a chance to evaluate the Frontier ED in a variety of lighting conditions against the binocular in my collection that it most closely matches up to -- the Vortex 8X42 Razor.  I also have two other 8X binoculars -- a Leica 8X32 Ultravid HD and Leica 8X50 Trinovid.  I loosely compared the Frontier ED with the former, but not the latter.  I have compared the Trinovid to the Razor extensively enough to know the two are very equivalent from an image quality standpoint, with the edge in low light performance going to the 50mm objective Trinovid, the FOV edge to the Razor.  So, I felt there was little to glean from comparing the Frontier ED to the Trinovid, and the Razor more closely matched the Frontier ED's specs.  More on the Frontier ED 8X43 vs. Leica 8X32 HD comparison later.
 
There's really not a lot I can add to Koshkin's comments... but I'll try. 
 
I thought the Frontier ED was slightly inferior to the Razor in off-axis light management.  When slowly panning toward a white light source at night, I noticed a bit more flare and ghosting through the Hawke than through the Razor. 
 
Although the Frontier 8X43 ED has even greater FOV than the 8X42 Razor's expansive FOV (426' vs. 410'), I felt the difference in "usable" FOV was offset by the Frontier ED's softer field edge, as Koshkin mentioned.  Both binoculars seemed to have equivalently large "sweet spots."  My eyes could tell no discernable difference in resolution, contrast, and color between the Frontier and Razor in the center of the field.  Subsequent star testing yielded the same results, with both binoculars producing equally compact point sources of light in the field center, but when slowly panning to view stars toward the edge of the field, the Frontier began to exhibit coma further from the field edge than the Razor.  This is obviously a direct biproduct of the Frontier's softer field edge. 
 
I did not find the Frontier's slight edge fuzziness to be objectionable.  I brought both binoculars to my hunting camp during one of our joint family get-togethers.  During an evaluation session, I handed both to my wife and later to a hunting buddy of mine and asked their subjective opinions of the two with no further comments made on my part.  Both said they preferred the Razor's image solely because the Razor had a less reduction in image quality at the field edge.  My hunting buddy found the Frontier's soft field edge to be more objectionable than my wife did.  When pressed, both thought the center field image quality to be equivalent between the two binoculars. 
 
As Koshkin mentioned, I did notice that the Razor had a greater depth of field.  The Razor required less refocusing when viewing objects at varying distances than the Frontier did when viewing the same objects.
 
I found Chromatic aberration to be equally well controlled with the Frontier as the Razor, which is to say, it was almost non-existant with either binocular.  Both were slightly better in this regard than the Leica 8X32 Ultravid ED!
 
For low light performance comparisons, I located a cardboard box at my hunting camp that had a barcode label decal affixed to it.  The barcode decal had sharply defined black lines on a white background.  I placed the box 20 yards from my sitting position and alternated between viewing the barcode with the Frontier and Razor as darkness approached, with the goal of seeing which binocular could resolve the barcode line spacing further into darkness.  As a result, I could see no discernable difference in low light performance between the two, as nighttime rendered the barcode a grey blob at the same time for both optics.  What was surprising here was how well the Leica 8X32 Ultravid HD performed in comparison to the Frontier and Razor, despite its obvious exit pupil disadvantage.  With it, I was still able to resolve the barcode within 5 minutes or so of the point where I lost it with the Frontier and Razor.  Although the overall image was noticeably dimmer through the 8X32 Leica just before darkness than the two full-size bins, its outstanding resolution and contrast seemed to narrow the gap somewhat.  In good lighting, the little 8X32 Leica's excellent resolution and contrast provided a sharper defined image than the Frontier and Razor, which is to be expected given its much greater price tag.
 
I prefer the Razor's central diopter adjustment integrated with the focuser over the Frontier's right barrel mounted diopter adjustment.  While both seemed equally secure, the Frontier's adjustment was very stiff, and I just think the central diopter adjustment gives the optic a cleaner, more symmetrical appearance.
 
Ergonomically, the Frontier's shell felt more "grippy" than the Razor's due to the many small "bumps" and ridges on either side of the barrels.  Even though the Frontier's hinge spacing is narrower than the Razor's, I found finger placement between the hinges to be more comfortable with the Frontier because it has a radiused relief just behind the focus wheel that provided a very comfortable, natural place for my middle fingers to rest.  I thought that was a nice ergonomic touch.  Both binoculars seemed to balance equally well in my hands, no doubt due to their similar proportions.
 
I found the Frontier's carrying case to be quite unusual, yet nice, as it provides very good protection for the binocular.  My only issue with it is that fitting the binocular into the belt pouch and then inside the case is a pretty tight fit with the objective covers in place, and you have to retract the eyecups to get it all inside the case.  I don't know where the supplied neck strap and cleaning cloth is supposed to go, as once I got them out of the case, I have trouble fitting it all back inside and get the case zipped shut.  I did not open the package for the neck strap, so I didn't try it out to evaluate it.  The eyepiece cover fit nicely and was perfectly adequate, but I didn't care for the objective covers at all.  Not only are the tethers very thin and flimsy looking, but they wouldn't stay put very well during use for me.  I found I was constantly having to reinstall the retention loops during use, as they would easily slide off the objective barrels.
 
In short, I think this is one fine binocular that seems unbeatable at its price point!  In my opinion, I would still have to give the Razor a slight edge (no pun intended) over the Frontier, mainly due to the sharper field edge, better stray light control, and I prefer the Razor's eyecups and focuser.  I don't know whether my Razor has the earlier silvered prisms or the current dielectric prism coating, as Vortex replaced my first generation Razor after I dropped it and bent one of the eyecups.  However, it's hard for me to imagine another roof prism binocular retailing for less than $700 equaling the Hawke Frontier ED's remarkably good image quality.
 
BTW -- Koshkin, I will be shipping your binoculars back to you this week.  I'm sure you're ready to get them back!Wink
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  Quote koshkin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/07/2009 at 17:36
BTT.

I am applying for a "media" badge for the next SHOT Show which requires proof, i.e. industry relevant stuff that I have written and posted here.
I will bring several of my threads back to the top to make them easier to find.
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