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sakomato
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No belt
Less shoulder gap between new case shoulder and chamber
More brass availability (considering you can use 30-06 brass)
More efficient amount of powder to velocity ratio
Longer barrel life
Less recoil
Less muzzle blast
Easier to find an appropriate powder
I have had a 264 win mag and now have a 6.5 rem mag. IME it is much easier to find a load pushing a 140 gr bullet at 3100 fps than trying to find one in the 264 win mag pushing the same bullet at 3250 fps (my spreadsheet shows red highliter all over it showing pressure signs on the 264 win mag page). It is hard to find a slow enough powder to use in the 264 win mag. With the 6.5-06, 6.5x284 or the 6.5 rem mag the case capacity is less and many powders like IMR4350, IMR4831, RL19, H4831, RL22, IMR7828, H1000 or RL25 or entirely appropriate.
Personally, I like a bullet that starts out between 2900 fps to 3100 fps because if you have a close shot the bullet may not get squirrely on you and blow up or pencil through. I'm a heavy bullet 3000 fps guy and the 264 win mag is too much. The 6.5-06 would be just right.
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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http://www.bullberry.com/encore.html
You can get an encore barrel from bullberry in a 6.5-06 or a 6.5-06 improved
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Dale Clifford
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6.5/06 is ballistically identical to a 6.5/284-- the euros like metric so 7mm and 8mm Brenneke is the 7 and 8mm/06 equiv. Out to 500 yds, most of the 06 class of cartridges all shoot the same.
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magshooter1
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I almost picked up a 6.5/06 at the Jackson, MS gunshow. It was a 700 action, E.R. Shaw Barrel, Fajen Stock and Bushnell Elite 3200 3x9x50. The guy was asking $750, which I thought sounded pretty reasonable. The 6.5's are great rounds. I have a CZ 550 FS that shoots sub MOA with 129g Hornady SST's. If I wasn't so set on a .338/06 I'd be haveing a 6.5/06 put together instead.
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huff143
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Why the .338-06 as opposed to a .338 Win? I understand the recoil and such, but are there other advantages?
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pyro6999
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no belt, burns less powder cases are cheaper. i prefer the win mags myself.
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mastsif man
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personally the belted issue is way over played. never had a problem reloading them and in fact kind of like reloading them with a larry willis resizer. as far as velocity is concerned, the spread between all of the above out of the muzzle is not a major concern hunting with almost any bullet, unless you are 5 feet away, then you pull out your bowie knife and ride like a king and do it the old fashion way. little humor. and if you realy want to pump it up, go for the 6.5-300wby. i am kinda like mr. pyro, the 264 win mag is fine. personally i own a 260 remington and a 6.5 remington mag. both are great. i have to find the right load for the latter. if i really want to pump some power, i would pull out mr. pyro's 375 h/h and never look back and forget the 6.5s. go 264 win mag.
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mastsif man
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by the way mr. pyro, i noticed you have 11433 post, good golly ms. molly, it must be cold in old minnesota.
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pyro6999
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i shoot a 6.5rem a .264 a 300win and a .375H&H, yeah i like belts too. my 22-250 is all i have right now with out a belt. the 6.5-300wby doesnt hold a candle to the 6.5stw or 6.5rum. i found my .264 to be a very finicky cat, which i dont mind the work to find the load, i certainly feel like i gave a lot of combos a fair shake. my 6.5 rem on the other hand likes a couple of combos.
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pyro6999
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i spend a lot of time in here during the winter, we dont move dirt when there is snow on the ground. |
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mastsif man
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yeah thought about the 6.5stw as i love my 7mmstw and thought it would be cool to have to side by side calibers in the stw line. but i have alot of time to think about it as i am finishing another project but i am close.
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John Barsness
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I had a 6.5-06 built a couple of years ago, partly to see if it was worth it to bridge the gap between the .25-06 and .270. It's on an E.R. Shaw action (a Savage action stainless action but with concentionla barrel threads in the front of the action instead of the Savage system), a 26" #4 E.R. Shaw stainless barrel, and a Boyds laminated JRS stock. It's kind of a hefty sucker but really shoots. Turned out the best load was H1000 and a 140 Berger VLD. It will keep three inside MOA at 700 yards if I dope the wind right, and I have shot groups down to 3-1/2" at that range. Muzzle velocity is just under 3000.
It really doesn't do anything the .25-06 or .270 doesn't do out to 400-500 yards, though. Beyond there the higher BC of the 6.5mm bullets starts to kick in, and they shoot a little flatter and drift a little less in the wind than any .25 or .27 bullet. It's basically a 6.5/.284 with cheaper, more easily available brass.
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magshooter1
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The only real advantage you get with the 338 Win. Mag. is a little more range. And Pyro pretty much summed up the rest. Besides I didn't have anything in .338 cal and I have several hundred rounds of .35 Whelen laying around. Also. if I need to go to a magnum in that class I'll just grab my Rem. 700 Classic 8mm Rem. Mag. What can I say..... I'm a certified rifle looney*. *Not to be confused with riflelooney.
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pyro6999
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the only disadvantage you have with the 8mm mag over the .338 is that the .323 (8mm) dont have a great selection of bullets or weights. which imo, is partly why layne simpson designed the 7stw. he took advantage of that huge case and put the huge selection of 7mm bullets to good use. the .35whelen is a nice round, i hope to some day have one myself.
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magshooter1
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This is true. Nosler did release the 200g Accubond when the .325 WSM came out, which is a very good .323 bullet for the Big 8. Hopefully the .325 will gain some popularity and more new bullets will be available.
I love my .35 Whelen. Everything I have shot with it has been very impressed too!
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outlook
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Check out the 264 Hawk, 3000 fps with a 140 gr bullet.
The whole Hawk line of cartridges gets the most you can out of an 06' case.
I imagine with the right twist and a 160 VLD, you could really reach out with it.
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pyro6999
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i guess if you wanna pay $46 for a box of 20 new pieces of brass in a .264 hawk knock yourself out. the 6.5-06 the 6.5rem mag and the .264 win mag will push a 140gr bullet to 3000fps as well. and actually my .264 will take them past 3200fps
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outlook
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easily formed from (dare I say) 280 Remingtons
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