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308WIN
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If you could pick one of these for a hunting rifle, which would you pick and why?
eye relief and reticle plane location are 2 differences.... Swaro Z6 1.7-10x42 rear focal plane etched reticle Magnification 1.7-10x Objective Lens Diameter 42mm Angle of View 14.4-2.4° Field-of-View (@ 1000 Yds) 1.7x: 75.6' (25.2m @ 100m) 10x: 12.6' (4.2m @ 100m) Dioptric Correction Range -3/+2 Exit Pupil Diameter 1.7x: 9.6mm 10x: 4.2mm Eye Relief 3.74" (95mm) Filter Size 44mm Impact Point Correction per Click 0.36 MOA (10mm @ 100m) Maximum Elevation/Windage Adjustment Windage: 54 MOA Elevation: 54 MOA Relative Brightness 1.7x: 92.1 10x: 17.6 Twilight Factor 1.7x:  8.5 10x:  20.5 Weatherproofing Waterproof and fog proof Dimensions Length: 12.87" (327mm) Weight 1.04 lb (470g) Zeiss Victory 2.5-10x42 Front Focal Plane Etched Reticle Magnification 2.5-10x Objective Lens Diameter 42mm Angle of View 8.3-2.3° Field-of-View (@ 100 Yds) 2.5x: 43.5' (144 m at 1000 m) 10x: 12' (40 m at 1000 m) Dioptric Correction Range -3 to +2 Exit Pupil Diameter 2.5x: 15.0 mm 10x: 4.2 mm Eye Relief 90mm Filter Size Not specified by manufacturer Impact Point Correction per Click 0.36" per 100 Yards (10 mm per 100 meters) Maximum Elevation/Windage Adjustment 3.7' per 100 Yards (1.2 m per 100 m) Relative Brightness 2.5x: 225.0 10x: 17.7 Twilight Factor 2.5x: 66.4 10x: 133.0 Weatherproofing Waterproof & Fogproof Dimensions 12.3" (312 mm) in Length Weight 0.97 lb (439 g) |
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lucytuma
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I think when you get to this level of optical quality, it comes down to personal preference. I would personally pick the Zeiss, but again thats personal preference.
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Which ever one you get a better deal on.
Sam
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have/use them both and it depends alot on how much you will use the lower power setting, (although the z6 is a 2x12) and desired reticle, as there is a lot of difference in the two. the lower setting on the zeiss gives a effect of looking through an innertube, up until about 4 you are seeing the inside of the walls of the scope. I like the tds reticle and the "picture" on the lowest setting on the z6 more. See helo's review on the 1.7x10 in this forum-- he didn't like the z6 reticle for low light. and that particular reticle I would agree. The tds doesn't have this problem. On the zeiss you can get any reticle they offer, and also have the scope made in the sfp if you want. With a Z600 or Z800 it just be the one.
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I have a z6 2-12x50 with a 4a reticle and it's outstanding for low light conditions.
Helo tested a z6 with a plex reticle (I have one of those as well) and it's basically like the Leupold thin duplex reticle being much finer than a basic duplex retilce. The plex retilce is great for long shots and daylight but harder to pic up during low light conditions. |
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Might as well save yourself some money and buy a vx3 according to John.
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I wonder how the new VX3 would compare to the Zeiss VM/V. I haven't heard anything spectacular about the new Leupold from an optics standpoint. The thing that interests me most is the new beefed up erector assembly.
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I can't comment on the Zeiss other than saying I am sure it is an amazing scope. The Swaro is a great scope and I can highly recommend it. My only suggestion would be that you not get the plex reticle. Get a 4a if you do a lot of low light hunting.
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THE VX3 is not an option: I have tested one myself and while a slight optical improvement over the VXIII its not in this league. -I dont like the STILL golden rod wire reticle than turns orange, bronze, etc. -The apparent image is smaller do to the smaller occular lens. Even o nthe same magnification the image gives a smaller "apparent" image than its euro competition -I hate the Leupold Duplex and their german #4, if premier still made the #4 for leupold then it might be an option. The duplex fades too fast for my taste -The fast focus eyepiece that it has isnt really much of a difference than the VXIII, other than the threads. It is not like the VX7 fast focus eyepiece.... |
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if Leupold made an illuminated reticle model scope without the 50mm objective, I might look. With Zeiss, I can hunt at night with the 42mm objective with no issues on 6-8x.
I also like the 30mm tube of the euros |
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Buy them both and settle on the one you like best. Then, mail me the other one
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Oh, like the Swaro Z6 comment at the end of the VX3 review, I'm sure there's not much difference between the Zeiss VM/V and the VX3 either. Edited by mike650 - March/08/2009 at 17:43 |
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Thank you for that!
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One thing that you might consider is looking through them as the reticle itself may be a factor that you like better in one vs the other. As far as quality they are going to be very close. I would rather have an illuminated reticle in a 4a or balistic reticle.
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