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tracker12
Optics GrassHopper Joined: February/11/2009 Location: md Status: Offline Points: 29 |
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I have a Leupold 2.5 X 8 X 32 on my encore and it has 1500+ shots thru it with no problems.
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RONK
Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: April/05/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3199 |
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I would like to have someone explain the physics behind the notion that a muzzleloader is harder on scopes than a centerfire of comparable power/weight.
Not suggesting that it isn't true, just never really heard it presented well.
I can understand the concept of a spring-piston airguns' reciprocating "snap" shaking things up, but don't see why a muzzleloader would.
Anyone care to explain the "WHY"?
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Up until the last few months nobody made a balistic reticle in the power range that you really need for hunting right before dark 6x42 scopes have a 7mm exit eye pupil --- similarly at 5x you need at least 35 mm and this has it, and that is where you need to be in those low light moments where bambi is most active. Scopes with a balistic reticle in the second focal plane only work for known hold over at the maximum power of the scope. While I cant say that the glass in the Omega is anything to write home about they do kill deer, At least it kills deer for me every year. Congratualations on having the smokeless set up. I thought about it but load info was a little hard to find when they first came out. I have had very good luck with TC muskets. Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - February/25/2009 at 22:40 |
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dougedwards
Optics Apprentice Joined: April/16/2008 Location: Williamsburg, v Status: Offline Points: 213 |
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I also can't understand why the recoil on a muzzleloader would be any different from a centerfire but keep in mind that shooting 300 grain bullets with 60-75 grains of powder to 2300-2450 fps will produce enough recoil to jar your teeth. Some of us shoot 1000-2000+ shots per year (mostly at paper) and that tends to be rather hard on rifle scopes.
The Savage 10ML and their custom made counterparts are no ordinary muzzleloaders in that they are capable of using "smokeless" powder. The same powder used in case loads. The Savage having a 50 caliber bore is capable of shooting 250-300+ grain projectiles at light speed with long range accuracy. NO SMOKE, NO CLEANING, FAST SHOOTING. Recoil might be considered to be somewhat as would be experienced with fast shooting loads in the .458 Lott. This type of shooting is nothing new and has been around for some time and is safe. Loads have been pressure tested by the Strain Guage method and usually don't exceed 60,000 psi with 45,000-50,000 psi being the usual.
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HiTechTactical
Optics GrassHopper Joined: February/26/2009 Location: Naples, FL Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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I always thought a used Leupold was pretty good for the money. It still carries its lifetime warranty. There are plenty of good cheap scopes to choose from since China up'd it's game.
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hunter12345
Optics Journeyman Joined: November/21/2007 Status: Offline Points: 470 |
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My friend has a 3-9x40 Sightron SI on his Savage ML.He said it was the best scope for $100 he ever spent.He looked at the Leupold Rifleman and VXI and Nikon Pro Staff he said the Sightron was clearer and Leupolds felt like they were cheap.He has fired hundreds of rounds without any problems. |
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