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drd34
Optics Apprentice Joined: February/10/2009 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 130 |
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This isn't the first time this question has come up in my life. But what's interesting is that if you ask 100 special op jar's the same question I'd find it rare to find anyone who might differ in their opinion. You guys are gun guys. We guys are survival guys. We been done dropped and hung out to dry just for gp's. Sooner or later you learn what you need and what you don't and leave it. You'd be surprised what you really need and what is only so much bunk. I gotz to go now so I'll leave this with ya'll for now but I'll be back and check up wit ya on the morrow to see where you're at with this brain stumper. Hoo yaa ya'll. Luv and kisses, DrD (I know, I'm a nut case. Don't you know that's why they send you to special teams)
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You gotta carry it.
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silver
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"If we weren't all crazy we, We would go insane." Jimmie Buffet
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rifle looney
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Crooked horn pack/dehydrated food what I can/k-bar knife/ 44special 4.5"/ammo hollow and cast/bivey/bag/ ex,boots/canteen full to start/filter/first aid/compass/flint/lots o luck/...oh yeh! pic of a cutie!
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Monster
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I think I have changed my mind........I think I would take a 357 revolver instead of the rifle, but I'm keeping the slingshot and adding a knife........
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"Get Busy Livin' or get busy dyin'" -Red (Shawshank Redemption)
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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I'd take my trusty steed. He could run circles around any other horse.
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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do". Bobby Paul Doherty Texas Ranger |
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Dale Clifford
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S&W 617 1000 rds of viper
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Actually it is not since from the beginning of time man has had to face hostile human agressors in addition to the enviromental factors. You are potentially at more risk from hostile humans than from eaven the most dangerous game as most game wont hunt you unless it sees you as food or is protecting it's young. If for example you picture yourself having a bad day in South Texas with Los Zetas / drug cartel enforcers. Or you break down going through East LA or Chicago or for that matter virtually any large U.S. city where gang members reside. That could be a whole lot like facing hostile indians. Or since you claim to be 18 Bravo lets say they were going to drop you behind enemy lines along the Afghan border by yourself, tell us what you want to take and feel free to expalin why that wouldnt be hostile indian teritory. Of course in that case you have a trillion dollar resupply chain and air support that most of us dont have the luxury of if the s* hits the fan. Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - February/11/2009 at 10:26 |
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drd34
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I guess you misunderstood my question. Ok, there's two different scenarios going on here. One is urban survival and the other (which I posed) was wilderness survival. I realize that if we were comparing the two it would be apples and oranges, a whole different set of variables. I wasn't asking about military ops behind enemy lines, I was asking if you got dropped into the middle of nowhere wilderness with nothing but what you could carry. That's what I thought we were responding to. The answers to the two different questions would be completely different in my book. Afghan border country would offer an advantage to a scoped rifle with long range capabilities whereas in a deep forested wilderness environment a long range capapbility would render itself useless. Stopping bad guys would require larger caliber ammo, when in the wilderness scenario the big ammo would vaporize the rabbit you were intending on having for dinner. Let's stick to the wilderness scenario for now and see what the concensus is before we move on to military ops just so we're all on the same page with this.
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cbm
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I still like a good .22mag bolt action for this scenario. I would probably want a nice fixed power scope. And a Ruger single six .22 mag pistol. That way you could carry a ton of ammo and it would be interchangable. Plus a .22 mag is good for small game, will kill medium game easily with neck shots at reasonable ranges, and I would shoot large game like an elk or something in close range with a neck or ear shot ! So in my mind...........that would be about the best for a drop off deal !!
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Dogger
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Can't carry handguns here but this is my choice. 22 for small game, 20 ga for waterfowl or slugs/buckshot for bigger game. Fairly light and compact.
Rossi 20 Gauge w22LR 18.5" Barrels Blue Synthetic Matched Set
SPECIFICATIONS: Better option would be an older Savage 24C but getting harder to find. True combo gun with 22 over 20 gauge Edited by Dogger - February/11/2009 at 15:05 |
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outsidebear
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A first timer in the Forum here:
A wilderness firearm/caliber to 'live' with and from the land by what it offers, in a nomad situation of living: 1. .22 LR would be first choice. 2. .22 Hornet would be second choice, northern Eskimos were not found wanting in their choice of this cartridge. 50 rounds makes for small package, fine for all game, with the right shot placement adequate for deer/elk/bears. Would also have .22 LR chamber adaptor/insert 4. .223, with .22 LR chamber adaptor/insert 3. bolt action or single shot is sufficient, Ruger 10-22 would be another good choice, as it has capability to deliver many shots placed well in short period of time (if ever needed?) 4. handgun would be mostly for 'comfort zone' factor, not 'needed' 5. slingshot fine companion for small game gathering First item to have with me, with the DB Cooper scenario in mind: 1. a machete: a knowledgeable individual with outdoor skills can live fine with just a machete, make shelter, some protection, wood working tool, etc. 2. some small line (rope) for snares, binding material (this may also be made from wood fibers) 3. fishing line and hooks, a few lures 4. a bit of flint for fire making 5. then a firearm KNOWLEDGE of how to live in the wilderness is the most important factor here, I'd say. One would not be harvesting other than small game (rabbit, grouse/birds, fish) for the most part. When larger supply of meat is needed, then deer (eat fresh then make into jerky), or other game as it is presented for the taking. Meaning here, not the 'need' for large caliber firearm. You can have any firearm and lots of ammunition, but if you're without the knowledge to live with and from the land, the land will win, and your bones will be found in the spring when the snow melts away... |
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drd34
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Wow!!! Right on the money. My choice would be nothing more than a Walther P22 with the hottest MiniMag and Stinger Hollow Point ammo available. I'd have a box of the .22 bird shot rounds as well. Two 10 shot clips would be adaquate. You'd be able to take everything from deer, rabbits, squirrels, raccoons, ducks, geese, game birds like grouse, etc., you could even shoot fish. Your accuracy efficiency would jump by a quantum as .22 will give you much tighter groups than any other caliber period. The rounds are loud enough to scare any black bear running by just shooting it in the air. When you can empty a ten shot clip in 3-seconds, pop in another, and let that rip....not too many human intruders would be advancing at any fast pace let me tell ya. And, the best thing is that the gun weighs 12oz and you can carry a ton of ammo. Weighed all out, this would be my choice as well.
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drd34
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I should preface the statement ".22 will give you much tighter groups than any other caliber period" I am referring in comparison to other handgun calibers i.e., 9mm, .38, .357, .44, etc. I was assuming also that you all were aware that the P22 is a semi-auto pistol.
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rifle looney
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Only one problem there if you cant shoot a handgun worth a s.... then you will be outa ammo real soon!
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SamC
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Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill |
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lucznik
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I don't disagree with your choice of a .22 LR but, generally, I find a revolver to be better for chores such as survival than autos. They are far more reliable, have no feeding problems, enjoy total flexibility with the ammo chosen, and are usually more accurate. I'll guarantee my S&W m34 will shoot circles around the Walther P22. (I know because I had one of those once too.)
As far as the rest of your question is concerned, I'm a bit confused. Maybe you can help clarify.
First, from your original post...
Then later in the same post...
Which is it; one gun or as many as I choose?
Second, you need to clarify where we are being dropped "DB Cooper-style." What you choose for survival in the desert Southwest for example, will likely be different from what you might choose for the Canadian Boreal Forests.
Third, I'm unclear of exactly what kind of survival situation this is. Are we going in and perhaps building a cabin from where we will eek out our existence off the land or is there some compelling reason for us to live a nomadic existence, constantly moving from place to place?
Fourth, are we going at this all alone or do we have our families with us as well?
Last, how much time are we supposed to be planning for? A week? A month? A year? Forever? Edited by lucznik - February/11/2009 at 17:15 |
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What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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Sandhillbilly
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I would take a 22 magnum single shot handy rifle with a sling and and a 20 inch barrel. It would be stainless steel or parkerized. This is big enough to kill deer at short range (50 yards). Very little can go wrong with it and it promotes proper shot placement (single shot). Also loud enough to scare off some of the preditors. I could carry a large number of rounds, maybe stash some if my parachute opens.
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Untutored courage is useless in the face of educated bullets. Quote George S Patton
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supertool73
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Hey Lucznik. You got your two year food storage all built up? That will put you way ahead of most people.
Edited by supertool73 - February/11/2009 at 17:19 |
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lucznik
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However, either way that isn't a load anyone is going to be packing on their backs anytime soon. Edited by lucznik - February/11/2009 at 17:33 |
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What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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supertool73
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I hear you there. I have about 600 lbs stored up now and hope I never have to move it.
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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.
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