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Rancid Coolaid
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You "shoot" deer at 1200 yards or you "shoot at" deer at 1200 yards?
What rifle and caliber?
1200 yards is the better part of a mile. Any error on your part or any movement on the deer's part or any minor variation in wind along the bullet path and your kill becomes a wound, and it takes awhile to walk 1200 yards.
I hope you are a damn good shot!
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Smoke and Mirrors. I shoot deer with a Bow. Walk Closer.
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Billygman
Optics GrassHopper Joined: February/01/2009 Location: East Coast Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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So, I really respect the input of this forum to this point and I would like to stir the embers a little. Keeping in mind that I already made a purchase of the SS 10x42, what about a scope with a larger objective lense like the ATN 8x24x75? Well, wait a minute, do you guys even like the ATN scopes?
Thanks, Bill
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Rancid Coolaid
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Mall ninjas swear by ATN, what more could one ask of a Chinese-made optic?
They are very "tacticool", no doubt. |
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RifleDude
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The one exception to the advice given above would be if benchrest shooting is your definition of "target shooting." In that game, more is better when it comes to magnification because the goal is to shoot the tiniest possible groups. Besides magnification, having a thin reticle and a scope that absolutely doesn't shift POI trumps everything else, including image quality, since you're only looking at the very center of the field at a tiny section of a paper target. Some serious BR shooters even permanently glue the erector assy in place so it cannot move and use external adjustments on the mounts.
I didn't read into the OP's post that BR shooting was the intended use, but I thought I'd throw that out for clarification anyway. Edited by RifleDude - February/06/2009 at 10:34 |
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Kickboxer
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I am not a "mall ninja" and I don't stay at Holiday Inn Express.
Like many of the lower priced scopes, ATN has some good and some bad. I got one because it had some features I liked at a price I could afford. It took six iterations to get one that WORKED. Glass is OK, it DOES have "not bad" low light performance (you could certainly hunt on a low moonlit night), the range finding and BDC are very good. Clicks in 100yd increments out to 500yds and it was always under 1MOA on the rifle I had it on. I have the 6-18x65. My wife really liked it, but it is very heavy and not much suited for hunting unless you are hunting across canyons. Would I purchase another... not likely. Do I hate the one I have... no, but I am not crazy about it either. It was an OK deal at the time. I don't recommend it, because of the six bad ones I encountered before getting one that actually worked.
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Dave Wilson
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1200 yards is a good poke for me, i only shoot that far if conditions are favorable and i can take a sighter. 800 and under with decent conditions i'll go right after the animal without a sighter. my gun is a custom bullpup that weights 15 lbs. a very unique gun that i mostly built myself. i'd post a pic but i don't know how. cartridge is 338/300 ultra mag. i shoot a 250 gr bullet at 3100 fps. it has plenty for elk at those ranges. my farthest kill had been a groundhog at 1030.
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Rancid Coolaid
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Not trying to bug, just trying to understand: you say your furthest "kill" is at 1030 but you take 1200 yard shots, that seems to indicate you miss 1200 yard shots, is that correct?
It ain't my place to critique anyone's hunting habits but, in my experience, a 1200 yard shot requires more than favorable conditions, especially in a scenario where missing by 8 inches on the first shot might cause an animal to suffer a very long and slow death. Billy, like Kickboxer said, buy ATN at your own risk, they aren't known for great quality optics. |
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Billygman
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Dear Rancid and Kickboxer and other gentlemen,
I'm sticking with the new SS10x42 when it arrives. I sold a Busnell 4200 series 4x16x50 and subsequently purchased the 4.5x 30 x50 in the 6500 series.
The matched Badger Ordinance Max 50 rings have arrived. When every thing comes in, I'm off to Ohio to shoot at a former Marine friend's home. (12 years Corp) I'm looking forward to punching some paper.
At 5 bucks a round, can we talk about reloading? I know this is Optics but does any one have input on the bullets? Type and composition? I'm looking for the most stable flyer.
All of the reloading equipment is Redding.
Thank you guys very much,
Billy G.
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Rancid Coolaid
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Hornady A-ma xna d Sierra match king have both been very good to me.
Obivously, the rifle will pick the weight, powder, and primer it likes best; but I've always been able to get sub-1/2MOA out past 600 yards with A-max and SMK. Good luck! |
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Dave Wilson
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[QUOTE=Rancid Coolaid]Not trying to bug, just trying to understand: you say your furthest "kill" is at 1030 but you take 1200 yard shots, that seems to indicate you miss 1200 yard shots, is that correct?
It ain't my place to critique anyone's hunting habits but, in my experience, a 1200 yard shot requires more than favorable conditions, especially in a scenario where missing by 8 inches on the first shot might cause an animal to suffer a very long and slow death. what i meant was, i'm confident in my shooting that i would take a 1200 yard shot on a deer if the conditions were good. i'd like to know what your experience has been that makes a shot of that distance to require more than favorable conditions?
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Kickboxer
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Obviously, you do some practicing at that distance??? It is difficult to find a place to shoot that far these days. Private land or a public range?
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Billygman
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To tag onto that, Any long ranges in New England? Massachusetts?
Thanks, Bill
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