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rifle looney
Optics Master Joined: November/21/2008 Status: Offline Points: 2553 |
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I have a 788 in 222 its cool! |
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pyro6999
Optics Retard OT TITAN Joined: December/22/2006 Location: North Dakota Status: Offline Points: 22034 |
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if i can find one in good shape at a gun show im going to in a couple of weeks i may have to buy it, i love 788's and my dad has a triple duce in a m700 bdl that shoots very well.
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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Roy Finn
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freidasboss,
Yes, it will. It can also help you get a detached retina. The 300 Ultra is ridiculously powerful for deer sized game. Edited by Roy Finn - December/15/2008 at 21:48 |
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pyro6999
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the ultra isnt as bad as the 30-378wby though, and i know a lot of guys in wyoming that swear by it for mule deer, they are the type that hike 10 miles back into the wilderness with a back pack and a one man tent and camp in the rocks and shoot monster bucks year after year, and i dont understand the need.
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Roy Finn
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The OP is a new hunter and not much of a range guy as he states. Would hate to give this guy the impression that a 300 Ultra is not a hard kicker.
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pyro6999
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no doubt, i warned him that the .300win wouldnt be a good choice for a beginer, i said nothing will turn you off to shooting than a hard kicking rifle.
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They call me "Boots"
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rifle looney
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Go with your gut and not what you think you want to here ,and enjoy!
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pyro6999
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you have a nice setup, might as well get some use out of it, unless you can find a sucker that will give $1400 for the whole works
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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Ed Connelly
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No one needs a 300 Ultra Mag in North America unless you need to stop a charging grizzly. [ You give the grizzly the rifle and tell him to shoot it and he'll get the sh*t kicked out of him! ]
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rifle looney
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HEY! pyro.......
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mike650
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I will always own at least one 7mm.
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“A hunt based only on trophies taken falls far short of what the ultimate goal should be.” – Fred Bear
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lucytuma
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Noyhing wrong with the 270 or 7mm, for a beginner with little range time and/or experience, I'd lean toward the 270. The 270 should provide enough energy and shoot flat enough for any deer out to 250yds. Without alot of experience 250yds is a long shot. Once one becomes a more proficient hunter, ranges and calibers can be increased. |
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trigger29
Optics Master Extraordinaire X = 180 Y = 90 (X+Pyro)+(Y-Pyro) = ? Joined: September/29/2007 Location: South Dakota Status: Offline Points: 4353 |
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Boy where to start with this one. I think I'll just quote everyone, and put my.02 in after it.
Rifle Looney-
"Just my 3 cents got a raise!
send in the 270 then restock it with a bell and carlson, or mcmillan.270 will do what the 7mm / will do." Oh now you did it. You are going to get in to it with pyro now. Change your sig. to Mr. .270. he likes that.
freidasboss-"I shot a big bodied Nebraska whitetail with a 140 gr. accubond and was thrilled. Easy 100 yd shot in the heart lung area. Passed on some mule deer at 300 both for rack size and because was afraid of the shot with the 270. I am sure a well placed vital area shot would have been fine but wonder about a less perfect shot. This is where the magnum idea came from."
Last year I shot a big bodied South Dakota whitetail at 480 yards with a .270 130 gr. winchester powerpoint. (cheap) It was as dead as any deer I've ever shot with that round.
At 300 yards any mule deer you hit in the vitals with a .270will be just as dead as one shot with a 338-378 wby, or .50 bmg. A magnum will not give you a large error margin. It's pretty simple. Put the bullet in the vitals, and things die. Put it somewhere else, well it depends on where the hit is. Most of the time a magnum isn't going to make the difference.
Rifle Looney-"Funny thing I have three o6s and I despise them .probably cuz everyone says gota have an 06."
I hate them too. Probably as much as pyro hates .270's. I don't know why. They are just slow, and don't carry energy, and everyone thinks everybody should have one. I can't believe the .270 is based on something so worthless. Maybe if all the '06 owners I know didn't look down on me and tell me to buy a real gun, I wouldn't mind them so much.
freidasboss-"My Colorado based hunting partner this year used a 300 ultra mag. He did not seem concerned about any shot up to about 450. Whether or not this was good logic is probably up for debate. I know wind is an issue with any caliber. Does a high energy round give you much more room for error? I would think it would give some. Or for imperfect angle shots (not broadside)."
I would not have been concerned with my .270 either. The energy of a round doesn't matter in the wind. What will matter is velocity. The less time wind has to act on a bullet, the less it will be blown. This means that ballistic coefficient will come in to play also, as the bullet will retain velocity better with a higher b.c.
Pyro-"the ultra isnt as bad as the 30-378wby though, and i know a lot of guys in wyoming that swear by it for mule deer, they are the type that hike 10 miles back into the wilderness with a back pack and a one man tent and camp in the rocks and shoot monster bucks year after year, and i dont understand the need."
I understand the need to shoot big bucks. I can't say I understand the need to take a cannon out there to get them.
lucytuma-" Nothing wrong with the 270 or 7mm, for a beginner with little range time and/or experience, I'd lean toward the 270. The 270 should provide enough energy and shoot flat enough for any deer out to 250yds. Without alot of experience 250yds is a long shot. Once one becomes a more proficient hunter, ranges and calibers can be increased."
I agree with this 100% I killed that deer at 480 last year with a .270, and one this year with a .270 wsm at 516 yds. Neither would require something larger. Both were shot with cheap winchester powerpoints. This is about the lowest b.c. bullet for this caliber. The bullet this year hit with 1190 ft/lbs energy. Had I been shooting something like a Winchester Supreme XP3 I could have increased it to 1648. Honestly I didn't see the need. Bullet passed all the way through, and the vitals looked like pudding. The deer fell dead where it stood. If I were you, and had some time. I would put what you have in a different stock, or save the money, and have the trigger adjusted, and spend money on ammo. Practice shooting at those ranges will increase your confidence more than anything. I put 400 rounds through my rifle before deer season at ranges from 3-700 yards. When that deer stood at 500 yds. there was no question in my mind it was dead. Sorry this was really long.
Edited to add: Welcome to the Optics Talk! Edited by trigger29 - December/16/2008 at 06:38 |
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pyro6999
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the .280 is a better choice
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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SamC
Optics Professional Joined: October/01/2007 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 902 |
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I keep going back and forth on this one, I have a Winchester Model 70 Classic in 7 mag that I really like but I am considering re chambering it to 338 Win or 375 H&H/375 Ruger. My thinking is, I've always wanted a big bore rifle and my new 300 WSM is capable of accurate long range shooting with good down range energy.
Sam
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Big Squeeze
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geezer
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Back to the original topic -
I have heard nothing but good things about Hill Country - I have a friend that sent in a rifle for the accurizing package and he was very impressed with the rifle when it was returned to him. He felt that he got his money's worth and more. He told me how much his groups improved, but I don't remember exactly how much.
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rifle looney
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OH yeah! I do by the way own- two- 7mms,,,7x57 Mauser AKA 275 rigby, and a 7x30 waters.
just so you know. |
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trigger29
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Well of course. The larger caliber is almost always going to win.
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SamC
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As I mentioned I own a 7 mag and like it but have shot a few rifles chambered in .280 and must admit I like the 280 chambering better than 7 mag.
Sam
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