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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

a .260 or a 6.5x55 swede is also a pair of wonderful rounds to consider, if you really want to stay in the .25 cal a vanguard in a .257wby mag may be your ticket, the 25-06 is not to light for elk, a good quality 110-125gr bullet in a 25-06 is a fine choice for elk, my father in law killed many wyoming elk with his 25-06 and many people think its to small, its all about placement. another nice rifle to consider is one of my favorites the 6.5remington mag, short case with magnum performance with recoil similar to a 25-06 but with .270win performance.

I can't believe you would admit to owning anything with .270 win. performance. Yippee Poker

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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

a .260 or a 6.5x55 swede is also a pair of wonderful rounds to consider, if you really want to stay in the .25 cal a vanguard in a .257wby mag may be your ticket, the 25-06 is not to light for elk, a good quality 110-125gr bullet in a 25-06 is a fine choice for elk, my father in law killed many wyoming elk with his 25-06 and many people think its to small, its all about placement. another nice rifle to consider is one of my favorites the 6.5remington mag, short case with magnum performance with recoil similar to a 25-06 but with .270win performance.

I can't believe you would admit to owning anything with .270 win. performance. Yippee Poker
well its not quite up to the .270wsm's performance level sorry.
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trigger - I thought the same thing!  Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ccoker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/25/2008 at 10:49
I didn't bother reading all of this, but the 25-06 is a GREAT deer cartridge
I shot quite a few deer with one growing up, never noticed the recoil
shot it and a 243, whatever dad handed me... deer always went DOWN and stayed there

Tikka T3 Stainless lite would be a great choice
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I think a 6.5X55 Swede or a 300 Savage myself........would be good for a young shooter....
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

a .260 or a 6.5x55 swede is also a pair of wonderful rounds to consider, if you really want to stay in the .25 cal a vanguard in a .257wby mag may be your ticket, the 25-06 is not to light for elk, a good quality 110-125gr bullet in a 25-06 is a fine choice for elk, my father in law killed many wyoming elk with his 25-06 and many people think its to small, its all about placement. another nice rifle to consider is one of my favorites the 6.5remington mag, short case with magnum performance with recoil similar to a 25-06 but with .270win performance.

I can't believe you would admit to owning anything with .270 win. performance. Yippee Poker
well its not quite up to the .270wsm's performance level sorry.
 
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i can come pretty close with my handloads to that
Velocity in Feet per Second (To nearest 10 FPS)
Load No
Caliber
Muzzle
100 Y
200 Y
300 Y
400 Y
500 Y
270WSME
270 Win. Short Magnum
3250
2978
2722
2480
2251
2034

  Energy in Foot Pounds (To nearest 5 Foot Pounds)
Load No
Caliber
Muzzle
100 Y
200 Y
300 Y
400 Y
500 Y
270WSME
270 Win. Short Magnum
3049
2559
2138
1775
1462
1194
my 6.5 with a 130gr accubonds
 
Range Velocity Impact Drop ToF Energy Drift
0 3180 -1.5 0 0 2919 0
100 2971 0 2 0.1 2548 0
200 2776 -2.46 7.96 0.2 2225 0
300 2590 -9.45 18.45 0.32 1936 0
400 2413 -21.66 34.16 0.44 1681 0
500 2243 -39.87 55.86 0.57 1452


Edited by pyro6999 - November/25/2008 at 19:10
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Originally posted by bkondeff bkondeff wrote:

I have a Sako 75 in 7mm RM that shoots .7 MOA consistently out to at least 600 yards.  I have a 6.5x20 Zeiss on it that I love.  I shoot 160 accubonds and 168 bergers(longer range).  My muzzle velocity is right at 3000 fps with my 24.4" barrel.  It's all stock except a bedding job.  The only downside is the weight, which is about 9.5lbs with 8lb rifle and 22oz scope and then rings.  It's actually heavier than that with the sling and tripod attached.
 
I was thinking about a lighterweight rifle for certain situations, esp when just hunting deer/antelope.  My research has led me to a Tikka(Price, accuracy) in 25-06(less recoil, similar trajectory as 7mm in 110/115 gr Accubond/Bergers), with a Zeiss 3-9x40 Conquest.  This gun would be right at 7lbs, but still only have a little more recoil than a .243 and less than my older son's .270 and .280.  I have a 10 year old that will need a light weight easy to shoot rifle for a couple years until he can grow into a true deer/elk caliber.
 
I would get the syn/stainless, as I am rough on my guns and hate to see pretty wood get marred.  I like the look of this gun in this config, but am not a fan of the small ejection port on the tikka or the feel of the stock, but then again havn't found a lightweight gun with a synthetic stock that I like better for under $1k.
 
Any other things I should consider in this package?????
 
P.S.  As mentioned this would mostly hunt mule deer(up to 300lbs), antelope, and the occasional elk(up to 400 yds).
 
I am going to suggest the 7mm/08 or the .308.  I do own the .308, but really wanted the 7mm/08, but I am left handed, and the Tikka is not available in the 7mm/08, so, the .308 was the option.
 
There are plenty of variety of .308 loads available, from a reduced recoil 125 grain, to a fast 150 grain Hornady Light Magnum SST, to a Nosler High Energy 180 grain Partition.   The ballistics are excellent on both of the latter loads.  Sorry, but you can't get that out of a 25/06.
 
The young man can graduate from the reduced recoil load as he grows.  Good luck on your choice, but it is tough to beat the versatility of the .308.
 
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Below is the Ballistics of the 25-06, 308, 270.  I would go with the 25-06 for what you wanna do and has a lot less recoil as well.

Ballistics Comparisons:
  Velocity in Feet per Second (To nearest 10 FPS)
Load No
Caliber
Muzzle
100 Y
200 Y
300 Y
400 Y
500 Y
P2506A1
25-06 Rem.
3100
2868
2648
2438
2238
2048
P270F
270 Win.
3060
2837
2626
2424
2231
2046
P308A1
308 Win. (7.62x51mm)
2700
2513
2333
2161
1997
1838

  Energy in Foot Pounds (To nearest 5 Foot Pounds)
Load No
Caliber
Muzzle
100 Y
200 Y
300 Y
400 Y
500 Y
P2506A1
25-06 Rem.
2347
2009
1713
1452
1224
1024
P270F
270 Win.
2703
2324
1990
1695
1436
1209
P308A1
308 Win. (7.62x51mm)
2671
2313
1994
1711
1460
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i can come pretty close with my handloads to that
Velocity in Feet per Second (To nearest 10 FPS)
Load No
Caliber
Muzzle
100 Y
200 Y
300 Y
400 Y
500 Y
270WSME
270 Win. Short Magnum
3250
2978
2722
2480
2251
2034

  Energy in Foot Pounds (To nearest 5 Foot Pounds)
Load No
Caliber
Muzzle
100 Y
200 Y
300 Y
400 Y
500 Y
270WSME
270 Win. Short Magnum
3049
2559
2138
1775
1462
1194
my 6.5 with a 130gr accubonds
 
Range Velocity Impact Drop ToF Energy Drift
0 3180 -1.5 0 0 2919 0
100 2971 0 2 0.1 2548 0
200 2776 -2.46 7.96 0.2 2225 0
300 2590 -9.45 18.45 0.32 1936 0
400 2413 -21.66 34.16 0.44 1681 0
500 2243 -39.87 55.86 0.57 1452
 
You got to find a REAL load, not some bottom end stuff.
 
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270 Win. Short Magnum
140 / 9.07
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i had to compare apples to apples man, i cant shoot 140's with my 6.5 they take up to much room, i do shoot 140's out of my .264 though and im still right in there with the 270wsm.
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Apples to apples? The b.C. of that bullet is almost in the negative numbers. Not that it matters, I just had to harass you about comparing your load to anything .270


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weight wise, i realize that the .277 bullets arent even close to the 6.5 bullets in the b.c or s.d
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