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    Posted: November/30/2008 at 10:54
Originally posted by Chris8541 Chris8541 wrote:

The only Accupoints I saw while in Iraq were on Navy EOD M14EBRs. It was a sexy rig and the fiber optics make the amber chevron obnoxiosly bright. I'm sure you realize that mounting it will be an issue. What weapon system are you going to be using? For an M4-I like the TA01NSN and for an M14/M21 I like a Leupold Mark 4 3.5-10x40 TMR FFP. I sure hope you get to use it, either way. Good hunting!

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Chris,
Roger that about the TR21.  I didnt go that way (or the MRT for that matter) for fear of mounting problems on my M4.  I would have used the LaRue SPR/E so ER wouldnt have been a problem but I have to run a PAQ4 on the front of my rail and I didnt want to risk the optic not clearing it when mounted.
 
I have since pulled in two ACOGs to serve me over in the box.  First is a TA47 2X20 compact w/an amber triangle reticle.  Second is a TA31F 4X32 ACOG (both in LaRue mounts).  I will also have my M68 so if one of these dont get it done...Wink
 
Thanks for replying and for your advice.  Stay safe over there, brother!   
 
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The only Accupoints I saw while in Iraq were on Navy EOD M14EBRs. It was a sexy rig and the fiber optics make the amber chevron obnoxiosly bright. I'm sure you realize that mounting it will be an issue. What weapon system are you going to be using? For an M4-I like the TA01NSN and for an M14/M21 I like a Leupold Mark 4 3.5-10x40 TMR FFP. I sure hope you get to use it, either way. Good hunting!

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Wilco...and we shall shoot a bunch of smelly bad guys wearing man skirts while we're at it !Approve

 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by Yak Yak wrote:

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Wilco...and we shall shoot a bunch of smelly bad guys wearing man skirts while we're at it !Approve

 
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Originally posted by Yak Yak wrote:

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Wilco...and we shall shoot a bunch of smelly bad guys wearing man skirts while we're at it !Approve

 
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Wilco...and we shall shoot a bunch of smelly bad guys wearing man skirts while we're at it !Approve

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Thanks for your service, Yak!  Take care of yourself and your buddies over in the sand box, friend!
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Yak, thank you for your service.
So, tell me, what do you WANT to get? and what is your price point?
 
Thank you, sir.  As far as WANT goes...  The optic choices I have posted about in this thread all qualify as WANT.  As more information regarding our mission is learned it will narrow the field down some to more of a NEED Im sure.  As far as price point--$800.00 max and that must include the mount.  Thank you again.   
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

You are on the right track all of the ones mentioned are quality set up's.  Stay Safe.
I came reall close to buying a TA338  but the field of view at 100  is 19.3 ft wide which makes it half that at 50 yds or 9.65 ft wide which at 25 yds makes it 4.825 ft wide field of view.  I really dont think you could clear a buliding with that narrow of a field of view as well as if it were wider.  I had a TA01B   4x model to look at and it has a 36.8ft field of view at 100.  The TA442  is a 39ft field of view at 100 which would give you almost 10ft at 25yds which is why I went that route.  Just a side note the Army has been issueing some comp M4 aimpoints and they are very nice much nicer than the earlier models so if they offer you one dont turn it down even if you hold it as a backup.
 
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Yes, the compacts give up a few things to get a few in return.  The narrow FOV of the TA33 is both a good and bad thing IMO.  For me its "good" when Im trying to go BAC with the ACOG.  The more narrow FOV helps me do this easier with the 33 then with the full sized 31.  But I can see how it (small FOV) could be a "bad" thing if you are eyes on a building looking for threats to pop out the window for example.
 
I still havent pulled the trigger on any new optic yet.  Im still waiting for more information regarding our mission (there have been some changes) to trickle down my way before I tax the debit card.  We shall see.  Thank you for taking the time to respond.  It means alot.      
 
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Yak, thank you for your service.
So, tell me, what do you WANT to get? and what is your price point?

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You are on the right track all of the ones mentioned are quality set up's.  Stay Safe.
 


Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - December/03/2008 at 01:49

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Not trying to sound cheap but since you kind gents used the word "value" so will I;  Price is a huge factor and/or hurdle for ALL.  Its just some folks can overcome that factor and/or hurdle a bit easier then others.  And I dont mind spending X-amount of $$$ as long as I know and trust that Im getting the same (or more) x-amount of value for my buck.  ARMS mounts, for me, have provided that in the past (I did break one the last time I was in Saudi Arabia, though!Cencored )

As for the compact ACOGs;  they are the shiz and I wish I could own every make and model of the line.  However, at this time, I do not trust that they provide ME with the "value" we all have just posted about and insted of jumping that particular hurdle I will be looking elsewhere for comfort.  Not that a TA47 isnt in my future.  But as far as the compact line goes I do think the TA33 is the value leader in its class and I will likely end up with a 33 before a 47 unless Trijicon sweets the treat by a little price modificationSmile.
 
I hope Ive explained my opinions fairly well (my two year old son just got up and wants to play insted of going back to sleep!Stick%20Horse Goodnite!    Yak
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

I understand the wallet issue but your life is worth something likely more than the difference I hope.  There is nothing wrong with this ARMS mount.  I do like GG&G stuff also but was a victim of what was available and the 2x was not but having used the 1.5 I do not feel I lost out as the field of view is about 10 ft wider and that translates to faster. Im sold on the ACOG s


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I understand the wallet issue but your life is worth something likely more than the difference I hope.  There is nothing wrong with this ARMS mount.  I do like GG&G stuff also but was a victim of what was available and the 2x was not but having used the 1.5 I do not feel I lost out as the field of view is about 10 ft wider and that translates to faster. Im sold on the ACOG s

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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by Yak Yak wrote:

Like sand in Iraq there has been another change:  I will not be sporting a TR21 after all.  I will receive a spanking new Leupold Mark 4 1.5-5X20 MRT (Illuminated) to accomplish optics duty on my carbine.  Now, all that is needed is a LaRue SPR-E mount and all will be well.  But, if availability of the LaRue is a problem I would consider an ADM "alternative"(I have no time on ADM products, though Sad ).  Stay Safe All. 


Hope your able to get the LaRue mount, it'll be a real nice setup!!
 
Copy that.  LaRue mounts are hot stuff indeed.  I am looking into ADMs stuff, though.  Damn, even SAYING that makes me feel like Im cheating on my wife!  SadShocked  But I gotta do what the wallet will allow so...
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

I think you will like the Leupold 1.5-5
 
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Very fast and the amber triangle in daylight absolutely glows you cant miss it and in fact may want to tone it down with a small piece of tape over part of the fiber optic. The only place I have a problem with wash out is at night looking toward lights and there is a black line below the yellow triangle that lets you know where you are so it's quite workable.  I have been getting 1.5 in groups at 200 yds with this 1.5x Trijicon and this one has the widest field of view, you could always go with red though but the triangle comes on target very fast yet has the ability to use the point of it for added accuracy.
 
Nice set up.  Man, I dig the compact ACOGs more and more.  I've recently been turned on to the TA47 2X20 version in the compact line.  I think, or my needs, it fits the bill pretty well as far as the whole ACOG series goes.  A TA47 in a LaRue or an ADM mount will cost me more then what I will pay for the MRT/Larue combo, though.  YMMV
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