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Dunno
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Posted: August/21/2008 at 08:58 |
Hi guys,
I just bought a 4200 6x24 50mm mildot which is my first tactical.
my first question is...is it normal to lose sharpness/clarity with this scope(or this type of scope) when increasing magnification.
If the target is stationary then no parallax adjustment is needed as i increase. If i start at 8x on a 100 yd target and then increase power the edges of the bullseye become fuzzy(it's not as good as my monarch UCCs to start with)....worse at longer distances.
at 350+ yds i really can't get real good sharpness on ANY parallax setting.When i say good sharpness i'm still looking for the clear edge of a bullseye... plus everything in between is fuzzyER...
With a monarch i can have the A/O on 150 and still have a clearer picture of a 300 yd target.
Do i need to send this scope back?
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cyborg
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That doesn't sound right to me. I say it's either a counterfeit or a defective scope.
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koshkin
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It is possible you have a defective scope.
Still, can you describe the whole procedure of how you adjusted the scope for your eyes? Thanks. ILya |
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Dunno
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I use the parallax adjustment for target focus,keeping it close to the mark(target distance) and i adjusted the reticle to get max clarity of the crosshairs and mildots and left it there. |
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Rancid Coolaid
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That's not exactly how to do it.
If you look at a target AND the reticule, the muscles in your eyes will adjust focus - and if you look away (your eyes will refocus) and look back, it will be fuzzy again; it ain't the scope, it's the process. To focus the reticule, DO NOT touch the parallex. Look at a clear sky (no clouds, nothing but endless blue.) Look at the reticule, look away while making a small adjustment, look at the reticule again. Do this (look at, look away while adjusting, look at again) till the reticule is perfectly focused with no target. Once the reticule is focused, don't touch the focus ring again (unless your prescription changes.) Now, when you look at a target; whether the target is focused or not, the reticule should be crystal clear. Use the parallax adjustment to gain a parallax -free image of the clear target. Be advised: at 24X, the image will not be pristine and sharp and clear and wonderful. At 24X, your exit pupil is just over 2 and that ain't ideal for any scenario. At lower power, it should be a good image, plenty of light, sharp edges to target and reticule. I had the same scope, it is a good scope for the money. If you decide to take another route, send the scope and the receipt back to Bushnell for a full refund (mine took about 4 weeks, if I recall correctly.) It sounds like your problem is not a scope malfunction, just an adjustment issue. Good luck. Edited by Rancid Coolaid - August/22/2008 at 13:23 |
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koshkin
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Good writeup, RC. One slight modification though: before adjusting the eyepiece for the sharpest possible reticle (by the way that is best done when looking at the sky), set your side-focus/parallax knob to infinity.
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Yea, dammit, forgot to mention that. This why you are the resident optics pro and I am simply the "turd-in-the-punchbowl" thrower.
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Thanks, I suppose and do not belittle yourself. Except for the who IOR thing , you certainly know what you are talking about.
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Dunno
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Thanks guys,i'll try that.
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Rancid Coolaid
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Edited by Rancid Coolaid - August/25/2008 at 16:33 |
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koshkin
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Gosh, once a decade or so I make a joke and this time around it ends up being totally wasted....
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Damn, that was a joke? I gotta party with you, man! |
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Yes it was, I even put the "bat out of hell" emoticon in to enunciate that fact.
If you recall, I was the one who recommended the IOR hunting scope to you, and I was also around during your IOR FFP scope experience. ILya |
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Yea, I know; but from time to time people get hit on the head with bricks and forget things. I wanted to be certain that, if you had recently experienced a head injury, that information would again be available to you.
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I wonder if it worked or he got things straightened out ? Wish they'd reply back .
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Dunno
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I guess it's the way the scope is made.The clarity is no better than my nikon UCCs and with them, even if i left the AO on 100,i have a clear picture at other distances.It just makes you worry about parallax.The 4200 will focus for the set distance but not so good at other distances.Still, i expected better glass for a scope that costs $150 more than the others.We have very small deer in n. fla and i'm wondering if i'll even be able to see antlers at long distances when you consider background having a camo affect etc.I was trying to get a good look at a small buck in velvet this weekend,standing in a road,at about 400yds,and could only make out the horns if he stood at a certain angle.I've got a 15 yr old leupold 3.5x10 that i think i'll compare with the others just for the hell of it.I might be surprised.
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If you really want to be able to crank a scope up to high powers and
have good clear images, I think you are going to need to spend a lot
more money than a 4200. Check out a Zeiss Conquest, an IOR, a
Swarovski, a Meopta Meostar, a Kahles. Any of those will be a very
good upgrade in glass quality which will allow you to use them at
higher powers and see better. Even on my $1300 IOR once I get above
about 12x image quality starts to go down. The only way to over come
that is better glass with more exit pupil.
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Dunno
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Yeah,it looks that way.....i'm not going to do that because this rifle will stay in the truck and take the bumps etc... plus i'm not going to spend that much money on a scope that i've never looked thru.A scope in a store thats not mounted on a stock or something is not easy to check out.Just holding it in your hands and looking thru it,making adjustments,focusing on something etc. doesnt work for me.Every store needs to have an old stock rigged to hold a scope so a customer can check it out right.
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Rancid Coolaid
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I frequently warn people about scopes with too high magnification - it is usually far less useful than most people think.
In truth, the route to take is to get a good pair of binoculars or a good spotting scope. Since the scope is mounted and zeroed, I don't recommend you ship it off and get another something else. It was my experience with that scope that, at lower magnifications, things were fine. If you do decide to get something else - and I know this is gonna sound crazy - consider better glass and lower magnification. Antlers at 400 yards will probably be clearer and easier to see at 12X with a good Swaro than they will be at 24X with a 4200. I shoot out to 600 yards regularly and 1,000 infrequently and own no scope with magnification higher than 17X. More magnification is almost never a real need. A good pair of 10X binos will serve you very well. (Again, I know, it is counter-intuitive to think binos at 10X will do what a 24X scope cannot.) |
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