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tpdoff
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Hi all, new guy on the forum here. I have recently bought a new toy, Rem 700 375 H&H, I have 2 scopes I can put on it with quick release rings. I have a Leupy VX1 3-9 and a Bushnell 3200 elite 3-9x40. The bushy is alittle shorter scope and looks better I think.
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pyro6999
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the leupold has more eye relief but the 3200 has way better glass
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Trade them both in for a VX-2 or 3 and don't worry about how it looks... Think 2-7x33 or the 1.75-6whatever. Get stuff lapped in to
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Big Squeeze
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Several reasons:
#1)... Do you plan to hunt dangerous game at short to moderate ranges? If you do, then all 3x9`s (with the exception of a 3x9 Trijicon), do not have the quicker target acquisition and aiming speed (both eyes open aiming), like the lower powered variables do. You must close your non aiming eye, which increases your time in acquiring the target..... NOT a good idea to have a scope that slows a hunter down just in case of a life threatening situation. No matter how remote the chances, it only takes once to lose a life! A faster scope that sends a faster signal to the brain, which decreases the reaction and acquiring time is so much better!
#2) The 3x9`s have reduced FOV`s, which also along with closing one eye, increases your time to react, acquire and aim, which also slows one down. Not a good idea for dangerous game. (Even though the 3x9 Trijicon has less FOV vs lower powered variables, it nevertheless is a much quicker scope).
#3) 3x9`s are heavier by several ounces and have higher profiles.
#4) The Bushnell 3200 has a shorter eye relief, a little too short for a 375, while the quality of the VX1 optically, is towards the lower end of the Leupold totem pole.
If you don`t plan on hunting dangerous game, or do much hunting in closer cover, then a good quality, well built 3x9 scope with good optics and good eye relief (at least 3.5"), is ok, though not my 1st choice for a 375.
A dangerous game rifle (DGR), should be nice and quick. The wrong scope will slow things down and can be dangerous.
I`d go with a straight tube lower powered variable, like a 1-4x20 VX2, the 1.5x5x20 VX3, the straight tubed lower variable Sightron Big Sky. A scope along those lines offer better speed, better FOV`s, lighter weight, lower profile (no obj. bells) and makes your rifle look like what it`s suppose to be,,,A DGR!
A 4x to 5x on the high end, regardless of terrain, is more than sufficient for any game and at any distances from where you`d normally take game using a 375 to begin with.
I have a 1.5-5x20 VX3 that sits on top of my 20" tubed .375 Ruger Alaskan...You wanna talk about some speed in acquring, aiming and firing??
Keep your rifle as fast handling as possible!
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Kickboxer
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That is good advice.
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tpdoff
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Awsome! Hey thanks for advice, I have begun looking at some other scopes that fit that bill. So many to choose from. I love the VX3's thought.
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mercenary1947
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Looks .... man .... looks is the last thing anyone should be worrying about in a scope and these dumb posts of " it weighs 3 ounces more than the other one " what limp wristed guy is going to worry about weight in mere ounces ???? I never in my life went to a firearms fashion show . I usually keep my mouth shut on those posts ... but it's useage and dependability . Purrrrrty is not what you want . FUNCTION and RELIABILITY in all ares . And I agree with Squeeze totally " Keep your rifle as fast handling as possible! " and functional ... not purrrty ! The leupolds are overpriced .... but if that's what you like and want ... buy it .
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Ed Connelly
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I think a 375 H&H would be great with a scope if you were going to go bear hunting or elk hunting with it. But if you're going to have a dangerous, man-killing creature rush out at you from 38 feet away you will wish you had a SHOTGUN!! For cape buffalo use iron sights and get within 150 yards.....and use a .416 or something...
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Big Squeeze
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The 1.75-5 Burris Sig. Select Safaris would also fill the bill as a DGR scope. But their FOV`s are not as wide as the VX3`s and they may not have, due to their obj. bells, enough mounting tube length as the straight tubed scopes do needed for a long action H&H.......Off-setting rings look horrible in my view, which you would need, IF your mounting tube length isn`t long enough or barely fits.........On a DGR, especially ones with longer actions, a longer mounting tube length is just another advantage that the straight tubed scopes have over the obj. belled scopes............
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tpdoff
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I hear ya, I'm not totally looking for a scope just for it's looks. I'm aware of needing a scope of quality and dependability. A trip to africa isn't out of the question, I know a fella from Africa and his father owns land there. Of course that is once and a lifetime probably trip, so if I use it here in the good ol USofA, will probably be with my uncle in Wyoming black bear and Elk hunting. For the most part It's mainly a toy, have just to have it. I'm not sure if this will help with scope selection or not, perhaps 2 scopes for it, one for DGR side of it and one when I head to the mountains???
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tpdoff
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Hey, Whatcha all think about the Bushnell 4200 1.25-4?
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Big Squeeze
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Iron sites out to 150 yards??? Iron sites out to maybe 75 to 85 yards tops for assurance of a good vitals hit!!!.......A shotgun??? A shotgun, unless fired from damn near point blank range, will more than likely wound and piss off a big bear more, rather than kill him,,,,,,IN TIME!..... That`s the difference! Will it be,,,,,IN TIME!!
Any professionally guided dangerous game hunt, whether it be for the big bears, bison, or any dangerous African game, the PH`s will always bring along as back up, unscoped rifles in case of a charge. That does not mean that you shouldn`t use a scope. The right scope!
A scope insures a good FIRST hit to begin with, so that a charge will be less likely to occur in the first place. If so, then you have the back-ups just in case they are needed.
A .375 is very capable of taking a big bear beyond 100-150 yards. If there is no opportunity to get closer, take a shot with just the iron sites?? I don`t think so!
Contrary to what some may believe, the RIGHT scope with some practice, is just as fast as the iron sites are by themselves, even in an emergency. If someone says different, then they are not experienced enough, or they have not practiced enough with the right scope to know better.
Well, I have practiced and I am very experienced when it comes to that dept.
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supertool73
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I agree, with irons sights you have to line up 3 things to make a hit.
With a scope it is only two. And at 150 yards irons can cover up way
to much of the target. Not saying it can't be done, but why handicap
yourself when you can use a scope. I don't agree that irons are faster either. I know for a fact for me a 1x scope is considerably easier for me to get on target quickly that trying to line up two sights and the target. No comparison.
With a Shotgun even if you get a rifled barrel and shoot slugs all you have is an inaccurate rifle, what is the point. |
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Big Squeeze
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I had a 3x9 4200 as a temporary set up on my Alaskan until I got my 1.5-5x20 VX3. I was never scope whacked. But that was me. The 4200`s eye relief may not work for you or be enough!
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Kickboxer
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Well, guess I'll have to respectfully disagree with YOU, Big Squeeze. I too have practiced and have experience, and I CAN shoot with iron sights at much further than 150yds. MUCH further. While I would not be using a 375, I WOULD take the shot at a big bear beyond 150. |
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Big Squeeze
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I do agree that you can make hits at 150+ easily with irons. I can hit a man sized target at 400 yards nearly everytime with my AR with irons. It is all about the training. But I do not believe they are faster than a 1x scope or dot |
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No disagreement there.
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supertool73
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If you can afford it this would be the scope to get. http://www.swfa.com/pc-12650-1412-swarovski-1-6x24-z6i-30mm-riflescope.aspx
or this one if it would fit your gun. http://www.swfa.com/pc-8643-1412-swarovski-17-10x42-z6i-30mm-riflescope.aspx |
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