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nickorette
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Posted: August/04/2008 at 20:13 |
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S&B 5-25 x 56 Police Marksman II LP
vs. SN3 T-Pal 5-25 vs.
Zeiss Victory 6-24x56 T* Diavari
This is going to be a one time purchase. It will be for benchrest and hunting.
Most critical factors to me: 1) clairity 2) repeatability 3) durability Discuss. |
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Thats like asking do you prefer gold or platinum all three scopes are so much better than anything else out there that they dwarf the competition. These would all be good benchrest scopes as for hunting I would perfer something in the 4-16x50 range but that depends on how you hunt. I would probably pick the U.S. Optics but I would expect the S&B to be as good likely better and as far as glass goes the Zeiss probably has the best glass clairity but not as good of mechanical repeatable precision. The S&B and the US.O are gunfight scopes the Zeiss is not so durability goes to the S&B and best durability to the US.Optics.
U.S.M.C uses S&B but has used U.S. Optics in the past. Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - August/04/2008 at 23:34 |
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www.technika.nu
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I would go for Zeiss or S&B. The only thing that have with USO that have impressed on me so far is the high price, compared to the quality.Technika
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RifleDude
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If benchrest is on the menu, I would get a scope with a second focal plane reticle for the finest aim point possible to obstruct the least amount of the target as possible. The USO is available with SFP reticle, but the other two are first focal plane reticle scopes.
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Dale Clifford
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the uso you mention is a tactical scope with gradiations in elevation meant more for speed than refinement- uso does make some good target scopes though- the zeiss is second focal plane and probably the best for target shooting- but any consideration with target shooting in mind will depend on the reticle. I'm guessing here you talking about shooting on a platform at fixed range distances. -- not competitively.
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nickorette
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Yeah that's a good point. The focal plane would have to be 2nd, not 1st if I'm going to be doing taregt shooting. SO I guess that leaves the USO and the Zeiss. |
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BSA
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this might compare better to USO & S&B |
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brencat
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I think it's the Zeiss Diavari that is SFP. USOs are all FFP afaik.
Anyway, BSA have you looked at the IOR tactical series? I will be buying this one just as soon as I can raise the funds:
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* Sorry, last post should have been addressed to Nickorette
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Rancid Coolaid
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All mentioned are great scopes; however, all are not ideal for all situations.
At what ranges will you be hunting? What will you be hunting? On what weapon is the scope going? What caliber? The mistake I see most frequently is that hunters buy something that doesn't fit the need - as in way too much magnification for the intended purpose. I shoot out to 1,000 yards and have no scope with magnification higher than 17. Do you need 25X? With a little more info, we can help make this "once in a lifetime" purchase a better fit with your needs. Of your most critical factors, Zeiss wins the first, and USO, in my opinion, wins the second and third. That doesn't mean you should buy USO (need to know gun going on and other factors) but by your considerations, USO is a good bet. Edited by Rancid Coolaid - August/05/2008 at 17:20 |
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Zeiss would be my first choice for you also.... |
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nickorette
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Isn't Hensoldt the same Zeiss Diavari? I could have sworn I read somewhere the Zeiss is just the western name for Hensoldt
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Rancid Coolaid
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Zeiss is probably NOT my recommendation - pending more info: for clarification.
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nickorette
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Well, my number one use for it would be non-competitive target shooting. I'm looking at a .308. Huntning is only really secondary. I just want to have the fexibility to go and hunt with it if I choose, or go competitive if I decide to later down the road.
If I was just using it for hunting, than hell, even 10X would be more than enough.
My ideal target ranges would be 100-200 yards, but I will have a couple opportunities for some 1000 yard shots. I like the idea of having the extra magnification if I need it. The plan is for the gun to go on Tac Ops Tango 51. |
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supertool73
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I agree with Rancid, I think you are wanting way to much scope for your intended uses. 15 to 18x is plenty for 1000 yards and beyond.
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RifleDude
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It's my understanding that USO will build the scope to whatever specifications the customer requests. You and Dale are correct about that particular Zeiss Victory Diavari being SFP. Most Diavaris are FFP, so I had forgotten about that model being SFP. Edited by RifleDude - August/05/2008 at 18:39 |
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nickorette
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So, what's the verdict?
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supertool73
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The Zeiss only has 57 MOA up elevation adjustment so it is not the best choice for a long range scope. You will be iffy at getting to 1000 yards unless you use a 30 MOA base and then you may lose the ability to have a 100 yard zero.
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