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rail4
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Posted: August/02/2008 at 13:53 |
How many inches (on average) will a shooter's eye be from a scope in scout configuration.
I've ordered a Savage Scout 10FCM, and before I order a scope, I would like to ask others who have a scout rifle setup, about how many inches of eye relief are needed.
One scope I like states eye relief is 11-20", another says 9.37". Does this mean that a shooter's eye needs to be at least that far away?
Or am I looking too deep into this and will just any pistol scope do?
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Rail
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rail4
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BTW,
Would a 2x20 be OK on a scout rifle. It's a .308. Maximum shot distance will be maybe 250 yards.
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Big Squeeze
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My rifle, which can use a conventionally mounted scope or a scope in the scout position, is the compact Ruger Frontier 300 WSM. With my scout scope on, the distance from my eye to the ocular is between 10" and 10.5"..........
The scout scope I use, is the Nikon Monarch 2.5-8x28 EER UCC. Other than the variable, a feature that this scope offers that no other scout can offer, is the use of a fast focus eye piece, which quickly adjusts for the maximum or best eye relief, regardless of the magnification it it set on.....Specs are 9" to 30"
Go to...."shootingtimes.com"....click..."optics" and then find the article entitled,,,,,Dual Purpose Optics from Nikon",,,, by Dick Metcalf. Excellent read on this Nikon, in which he explains how the fast focus works. Just as he says, when I change powers, I can quickly turn the eye piece and eliminate any dark circles around the lens perimeter for the best eye relief in any power.........After reading that, I ordered the Nikon.
The 2.5-8 Nikon, which also doubles as a revolver scope, offers more variable than just a fixed scout and is just as quick with both eyes open aiming set on the lower powers.
The only other two excellent quality scouts, are the 2.75x Burris and the 2.5x Leupold. The Burris lists its eye relief at 8.5 to 14" while the Leupold`s is listed at 9.3", either of which should work fine on your 308. The Leupold 9.3" listing means optimum eye relief. There is a little room to play. If your eye happens to be 10" or 10.5" away, it should be ok.
Pistol scopes can work as scout scopes.
Like my 300, your 308, regardless of its shorter barrel, is not a shorter to medium range round. It can reach out on deer to 300-400 yards if needed. In those instances, the Nikon excels over all other fixed low powered scouts and pistol scopes.
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Burris and Leupold make dedicated scout scopes. Use one of those. That's what the mounting system of your rifle is made for, the other stuff will be out of ballance.
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Thanks to both of you, big squueze and silver. I appreciate the info.
I'm on somewhat of a budget, so a high-end scope is kinda out of the question.
I was looking at BSA or NCStar. In several months I'll have the money, but for now, after buying the rifle, I'm tight.
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Dale Clifford
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the correct eye relief on a scout scope is what ever it is when the rear ocular is even with the ring of the receiver ande does not over lap into the magazine loading gate. you do what is necessary to make this happen, pistol scopes sometime work better because they are shorter with more extended eye relief if you can't get the scout models forward enough to solve the problem
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Welcome to Optics Talk, rail!
What caliber is this rifle in, Dale?
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Dale Clifford
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7-08 , burris pistol
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rail4
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Dale,
Nice rifle. Are they as good as they say they are?
I'm ordering mine for a variety of uses: long range plinking, deer and hog hunting, and coyote control. I doubt any of my shots will exceed 250 yards.
I'm to the point where I don''t like the traditional scoping. I've looked through scout rifle scopes on rifles before and was impressed with how easy it is to acquire sight picture and sight alignment. The scopes I looked through were all 2 power.
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Just about any 2x pistol scope should work fine in terms of eye-relief.
Dedicated scout scopes from Leupold or Burris would be your best choice, but if you want to go with something cheaper, there are option other than NcStar or BSA (which are both certifiable crap, and yes I have tried them as scout scopes). In order of ascending price: Vortex Crossfire 2x20 Weaver 2x28 Burris 2x20 Nikon Monarch 2x20 Burris Scout 2.75x20 Leupold Scout 2.5x28 Personally, I would probably save up some money for a Burris Scout scope. ILya |
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yes the concept works, and is extremely practical, advantages to me are the gun can be manipulated around the magazine easier and carried there much easier, the head is kept up and the shot follows more naturally -- like a good wing shot. a flowing motion. I prefer this set up when hunting, except for long open range shots, although the scout works amazingly well in this situation. a big disappointment is that no really good scouts are made by zeiss and nf. |
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I agree with Koskin, I think you would be money ahead just to save up and get a good scope to start with. A good scope + good gun= Happy shooter
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