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hidoa
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Posted: July/17/2008 at 19:02 |
I've got a rear focus scope.
I bought some butler creek flip ups, but I can't move the focus all the way around due to the cap hitting the back of the rifle...
Am I missing something?
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koshkin
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Rear focus scope???? Which exact scope do you have?
If you are referring to the eyepiece focus, you are not supposed to be messing with it once it is adjusted for your eyes. ILya |
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tahqua
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You're not missing anything. I adjust my focus for my most common usage and then mount the cover straight up there. I usually have enough focus range either way.
I have an airgun scope that focuses well outside this range and I took the cover off. I found that with my big game rifles I usually carry them muzzle somewhat up or vertically slung. I can get by without the ocular cover in most cases if need be. There are the Scopecoat or Bikini covers also. These offer a good alternative but are not as fast as flip ups. |
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hidoa
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You answered my question :)
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dougedwards
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Doesn't a first focal plane scope require adjustment of the eyepiece focus as you change magnification??
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tahqua
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My FFP scopes don't require re-focusing when changing magnifications. Most changes with my rifle scopes are because I switched to progressive lenses and I had a learning curve with the sweet spot for shooting. I cannot avoid this because I am always looking at maps or my GPS when afield. I wear them all the time.
I have pretty much settled into a "zone" with focus on all my rifles now. I have recently begun shooting pests at extremely short range, 3-4 yards, and I have to re-focus no matter what. |
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dougedwards
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That's strange because my Kahles CL requires constant re-focusing as I change magnification. I wonder if something is wrong? This is the only FFP scope that I have ever owned.
Doug
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koshkin
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Kahles CL is not an FFP scope.
Are you sure it is not a Kahles C? ILya |
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dougedwards
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I don't think that Kahles makes the multizero in the C series do they?
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koshkin
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I do not think so. Is it a 30mm tube or a 1"? ILya |
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dougedwards
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I went and looked at the box and it is a CL model. Then went to the Kahles website and you are right ILya.....it isn't a FFP scope at all. I got that information from Legacy Sports when I called them concerning the focusing of the scope. This scope does indeed go quickly out of focus when changing magnification. It is a 3-9x42 Multizero and the explaination that I received over the phone from Legacy is that in a scope where the reticle is in the first focal plane that the eyepiece needs to be adjusted when changing magnification range because the reticle is being magnified along with the object..... not making much sense to me but since I had no experience at all with FFP scopes I accepted their explaination for my delima.
Legacy did inform me that the mulitizero scopes were sold before they took over from Swarovski Optical and that all they could do for me is send my scope to Austria for Kahles to take a look at it if I was still dissatisfied. This would be at my expense of course. Emmett at Legacy also informed me that since I bought a display model (with all new warranty paperwork) I may not have any warranty whatsoever since Kahles' warranty only applies to the original owner and that there would be descrepency over whether the scope was originally owned by me or the store ( as ridiculous as that sounds).
Hidoa......I sure am glad that you posted your question as I have the same problem with the the flip ups when constantly adjusting the eyepiece. No telling how long I would have gone thinking that these FFP scopes sure do stink!
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koshkin
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That is very interesting since my 3-9x42 Multizero scope was just fixed by Kahles at no charge to me other than shipping. It was purchased from SWFA's Samplelist and I was not the original owner of the scope. In other words, what you were told is a bunch of crap. Interestingly, the person I talked to at Legacy was also Emmett.
CL is not an FFP scope. It is SFP. Whether it is FFP or SFP, it should not go out of focus when you change magnification. That is a pile of BS. I think Kahles is going to be rapidly moving off of my recommendations list, unless Legacy Sports gets their stuff together. If I were you I would try to contact Kahles in Austria directly and see what they tell you. Politely explain the situation and if they wonder how many potential sales they will lose, have them check out this forum. I will be more than happy to elaborate on how many people come here for their optics questions and how many applications Kahle WILL NOT BE RECOMMENDED FOR. ILya |
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crispycritter
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ouch. That's not what one wants to hear after dropping several c-notes on a scope.
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mercenary1947
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Lousey warranty huh ? Screw Kahles .....
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dougedwards
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I am not ready to say "screw Kahles" just yet. I will call today and keep the forum informed.......Doug
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dougedwards
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I am sending my Kahles scope in to Legacy today and they will forward it to Austria to be repaired if them deem that the focus problem is indeed a warranty issue. Will keep forum informed of outcome.
Doug
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dougedwards
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I shipped my Kahles CL 3-9x42 multizero to Legacy Sports via Fedex and it was received and signed for on Aug. 1, 2008. Based on what I have read on this forum I should NOT have to adjust the eyepiece everytime I change magnification to achieve a clear sight picture. So far Legacy has not responded to emails to confirm that they have in fact received the scope. But here is the response I got from Legacy concerning the focus problem:
Hey Stephen,
This is th response I got form the factory, I hope it helps. Emmit Causey Customer Sales 4750 Longley Ln. Suite 208 Reno, NV 89502 775-828-0555 ext.10 www.legacysports.com "Nulli Secundus" -----Original Message----- From: Hermann H. Kloetzer Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:14 PM To: EMMIT CAUSEY Subject: Re: Kahles parallax Hi Emmit, If the customer wants to have a parallax free setting of his scope, he first needs to determine the distance he is going to shoot at. Then he needs to set the left turret to that particular distance (30yds.-Infinity). Once that is done he needs to focus the scope using the ocular ring (eyepiece of the scope, or very rear turning ring of the scope)). This will give him a clear and crisp sight picture. He may also set the side focus at 100 yds. and leave it there and only use the ocular adjustment ring as his focus tool. Just setting the parallax free distance will not focus the scope. Hope this helps. Nice weekend - and let me know if this helped. Hermann ----- Original Message ----- From: "EMMIT CAUSEY" <ECausey@legacysports.com> To: "Hermann H. Kloetzer" Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: FW: Kahles parallax Herman, Do you have any ideas that may be helpful to this gentleman? He is wondering if there is a step in the instructions he is missing or is he going to need to send it in for repairs. Please advise. Thank you. Emmit Causey Customer Sales 4750 Longley Ln. Suite 208 Reno, NV 89502 775-828-0555 ext.10 www.legacysports.com "Nulli Secundus" -----Original Message----- From: edwards3618@verizon.net [mailto:edwards3618@verizon.net] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:44 PM To: EMMIT CAUSEY Subject: Kahles parallax Emmett....we spoke today on the phone concerning my Kahles 3-9x42 Multizero scope that was a store display. When turning the parallax all the way down to 30 it will give a clear picture only on objects 50 yards or closer then it gets fuzzy. When I try to adjust the setting out to 50 or 100 yards or more it only gets worse. I am assuming from our conversation that you really can't tell me much other than to send the scope to Austria. I have all the original paperwork on the scope and need you to tell me what to do from here. Thanks Stephen |
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koshkin
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I am now thoroughly confused about what the actual problem with the scope is.
Can you start in the beginning and explain what is wrong with the scope? Thanks. ILya |
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dougedwards
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Sorry.....it has been a while since I first posted my problems with this scope. But I can tell you that my particular scope MUST focus exactly the way this man describes it. The side parallax adjustment MUST be set to 30 yds at all magnifications to get a clear picture and only then by adjusting the ocular eyepiece as the magnification changes. If you read the response from the guy at Legacy he maintains that the scope must be focused with the eyepiece and not the side adjustment. This is exactly what I have found to be true with this scope.
For example.......at 3x I set the parallax to 30yds and focus on something 30 yds away I have a perfect sight picture after I adjust the ocular eyepiece to the crosshairs. At that point everything is great. As I begin to focus on objects further away I begin to have problems that the left side adjustment can't fix but can be rectified by the ocular adjustment. In addition, as I change up in magnifcation I am again forced to adjust the ocular as the side adjustment is of no use for this. Even when continuing to focus on objects at any particular distance the changing of magnification requires that I again make another ocular adjustment.
You see....what is bothering me is that this fellow from Legacy seems to confirm that he understands my exact problem and is confirming that the scope is set up to operate in such a manner.
Hope this helps to explain the problems that I have with this scope. With no other scope that I own do I have to adjust the ocular eyepiece after it is adjusted to focus on the crosshairs. The title of this thread got me to thinking about it as ocular scope covers aren't an option if you have to constantly spin the ocular eyepiece to focus.
Doug
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koshkin
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Let's hope this is just a communication error. Don't take it personally, but since your e-mail has confused the heck out of me, it may have confused the people at Legacy and Kahles (although they are saying something thoroughly bizarre).
You should not have to adjust the ocular when you change magnification. One thing that does worry me a little is that you keep on talking about objects at 30 yards. A lot of typical centerfire scopes have a hard time focusing on objects that are pretty close when set to high magnification. 30 yards is not all that close, but it is still possible that your scope is having a hard time with that. I would do the following: -focus the reticle via rear ocular adjustment while looking at the sky. Make sure you rest your eye frequently through the process. Do this at the highest magnification. -find several objects that are pretty far away (let's say 100 yards and further) and check if you can focus the scope image (not the reticle) on them via the side-parallax knob (still at the highest magnification). You should be able to bring the objects into focus via the side-focus knob ONLY. Once you bring your target into focus, both the object you are looking at and the reticle should look very sharp. Make sure you DO NOT adjust the ocular at this stage. If you can not bring the objects 100 yards and further into focus via the side focus knob, you need to send the scope in. Moving right along. If everything goes smoothly during the exercise above, try to change the magnification while looking at one of those distant objects. It is possible for the object to go slightly out of of focus when you change magnification. You should be able to bring it back into focus using the side-focus knob (still do not touch the ocular adjustment and look at distant objects only). Assuming everything works out there, experiment with some objects that are a bit closer. You should be able to bring them into focus using the side-focus only. It is possible that objects that are very close you can only focus on when at a lower magnification. ILya |
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