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tahqua
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Good choice on the 4200. My brother has the 3-9 on a RRA predator rifle and he now uses this instead of his Tikka with a Conquest. He ordered the Bushy after visiting here and thinks it is equal optically to his Conquest 3-9. I agree.
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cccombo
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yeh they are a good choice, I luv the 4200 glass, I will get a 6500 by the end of the year, they are the luxurious 4200
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mercenary1947
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Agree totally Pyro .... and the price cut on my Nikon SWFA did put me in a far better field of scopes . Hey ... I don't even look elsewhere for scopes . Why should anyone
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ccoker
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my 6.8 has an ACOG, TA33 amber, since this pic was taken I swapped out the stock mount for an ADM QR type... I like it enough I got one for my 5.56
I get a 1" group at 100 yards and 2" at 200 with the 3x ACOG, good enough as most shots will be 75 or so considering it's intended use I took the Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14 off my 204 Ruger and put it in a Larue QR mount and it will get swapped between both ARs as needed Edited by ccoker - July/05/2008 at 16:22 |
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ms6852
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I own both the elite 4200 and nikon monarch in 3x9. I find the bushnell to have better optics than the nikon in that viewing the bushnell it yields a brighter picture. I also own the Sightron II Big Sky and have compared it to the Conquest and find no discernible difference in optics but would guess that the Sightron might be a little brigher and about $100 cheaper than the Zeiss. With finger adjustable knobs and re-adjustable to zero, unlimited no fault lifetime warranty, this scope is unbeatable at this price. You will not be disappointed with the bushnell,sightron, or the conquest. The Nikon monarch is a little to dark for my liking, unless you purchase the bigger objectives.
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Keep us posted as to how you like the combo.
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cccombo
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You must be a different breed to me mate as I need to use shaded sunglasses with my 4-16x42 monarch when it's really sunny, It's just to bright for me sometimes |
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Mojo
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Whatever happened to hunter12345? I think that he got vaporized on May 31, for failing to back up with evidence his stance on Sightron vs Nikon, or is he tucked away somewhere?
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koshkin
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A few comments on the scopes mentioned in this thread.
First of all, I saw a lot of very dissimilar configurations compared. Aside from that, Elite 4200 is just a tad behind Conquest optically, but not by much at all. Depending on sample variation they may even be equal. Sightron S2 Big Sky is optically very similar to Elite 4200 and Conquest, but has longer eye relief than the 4200 (and a little more flexible eye relief than Conquest). In terms of coatings, the Big Sky Sightrons have the ZACT-7 coatings throughout. Regular Sightron S2 is not quite as good optically as the Big Sky, but is still no slouch. The design is a bit older and eye relief changes with magnification, by about half an inch. S2 has four fewer lenses than the Big Sky, but inner coatings are not quite as good. Regular S2 has 4-layer coatings on the inner surfaces and ZACT-7 coatings on the outside surfaces. As for the Monarch, I think that the regular S2 is quite comparable to the old Monarch. New Monarch I am less familiar with. ILya |
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Mojo
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Thank you, oh Dark Lord of Optics to put everything into proper perspective for all of us
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Sparky
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Koshkin,
Thanks for you comments and I respect your opinions. But if Sightron S2 Big Sky, Elite 4200 and Conquest are all is optically very similar then why is the Sightron rated lower on the SWFA rating scale? And how do they compare tracking wise? Thanks, Sparky |
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koshkin
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Depending on which version of the scale you are looking at, it will be in different places. In the original scale, Chris did not break out different Sightron product lines into separate entries, so S2 Big Sky got lumped in together with S1 and S2.
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Sparky
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Koshkin,
Thanks for the explination. I am not sure if I am asking this correctly, but what about tracking on these three scopes? By that I mean if I adjust either windage or elevation a number of clicks from my zero will moving it back the same number return me to my zero? I had a leuplod VXlll that did not return to my zero. It was close but not correct. Which is more than a little frustrating. Thanks, Sparky |
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koshkin
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All of theses scopes track fine. Sightron has made a lot of its original reputation on having a large adjustment range with repeatable clicks.
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Sparky
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Thank you.
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martin3175
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All are great choices,, But I'd give the nod to the 4200 with the Rainguard and the great price one can be had for ..
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hunter12345
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If you compare a $200.00 Nikon Primos Monarch or a Sightron SII ,Yes the Sightron SII is a better scope reason is better warranty, made in Japan, quality lens and materaials.You need to relax SIR... hows the hillbilly heroin !!!
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Scottyman
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Maine? Where's that?
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dougedwards
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I have owned many Sightron SII rifle scopes and have found them to have just wonderful adjustments and the best warranty in the business bar none. I recently sent a 6-20x50 SII back to Sightron because the side parallax adjustment seemed to be faulty and low and behold they send me a brand new Big Sky version of the same scope. Now that is outstanding!!!!
However it is not my opinion that the SII and the Nikon Monarch UCC glass are equal in quality. Not to my eyes. I recently looked through both a 2.5-8x42 SII and 3-9x40 Monarch UCC in bright daylight and it may have seemed that the Sightron had better color resolution during the day but only slightly. But when it came to dim lighting the Sightron fell off hard while the Nikon was still able to pick up objects in the dark pines of my back yard way past official sundown. Not sure if a Monarch UCC has the exact same glass as the Team Primos but the general consensus is that it is essentially the same scope.
I must say that the Big Sky is AWESOME!
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