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Dale Clifford
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if your looking for accuracy and precision each rifle upper must be treated as a seperate gun, swithching reloads between them, would be luck if both shot the same loads to the degree they are capable. I use a 16 inch RRA upper with 1/8 twist upper , rra uses wilson barrels by the way the same as cooper, and it hangs with 69, 72 grs, but the 1/9 bushmaster 24 inch likes 55 gr, sierra hpbt. (ES 11 fps) around 3200 fps. also the shorter varmit barrels will never get the velocity up on the lighter bullets which makes mmore sense to use the heavier. the tactical bolt in a 1/9 would give a lot of play room with 69 grs, for inexpensive long range practice, give some thought to a 223 AI with a fast twist. and 75 gr Vmax.
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trigger29
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This would have been my vote for affordable. Sure its not a Coop, but not in the same price class either. My SUB-MOA Vanguard (aka Howa) routinely goes to 5/8" with factory rounds. Not one hole, but probably about as well as I can shoot sitting in a truck box, shooting off a pod. How does the .220 swift stack up on the cool meter? I was looking for something like this for an accurate varmint gun, but know very little about the caliber itself. Opinions from Swift owners?
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cheaptrick
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Thank you for your help, Gentlemen.
You guys always deliver!!
The varmint style AR upper intrigues me. It would fill most, if not all my criteria in one fell swoop.
Any other recommendations on manufacturers beside Rock River?
I'm thinking a 20" stainless barrel would be just about right.
Good point about treating each upper as a different gun, Dale.
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supertool73
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I think RRA is going to have the best barrels. I have only heard good things about the Wilson barrels they are using. And the 1-8 twist is superb for longer range shooting with heavier bullets while still allowing you to shoot 55 and 60 grainers.
I could see the advantage to having the ejection port on the left side for you though. Having the hot gasses blow back in your face could be a pain. You could always buy just a stripped upper from Stag and then put a Wilson barrel from RRA on it and have the best of both worlds. Might cost you a bit more but could save you getting blasted in the face. |
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Big Squeeze
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cheaptrick
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I did in fact go to a high end gun shop in Charlotte today and got a chance to pick up the Remington SPS Tactical.
I liked it!!
The rifle handled well and the Hogue Overmolded stock was pretty cool.
Appears to shoot pretty well in a rifle review over @ Sniper Central too.
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Bigdaddy0381
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Cheap,
how did you like the X mark trigger in the sps tac?
All the ones i have handled have tons of over travel and feel like they have a pound of sand in them. After some polishing they become nice but still can't get all the over travel out.
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cheaptrick
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Didn't get to try it, Brother. I have yet to try one at all, but the guys in my area don't care for them and went aftermarket jobs after trying in vain to get them "right".
The rifle I looked at today was "neutered" with a trigger guard.
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Bigdaddy0381
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Kickboxer
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This would have been my vote for affordable. Sure its not a Coop, but not in the same price class either. My SUB-MOA Vanguard (aka Howa) routinely goes to 5/8" with factory rounds. Not one hole, but probably about as well as I can shoot sitting in a truck box, shooting off a pod. How does the .220 swift stack up on the cool meter? I was looking for something like this for an accurate varmint gun, but know very little about the caliber itself. Opinions from Swift owners? [/QUOTE]
I have a .220 Swift Remington ETRONX. Without a doubt , most accurate "out of the box" rifle I have ever placed my hands on. Of course, the ETRONX has a lot to do with that, but the Swift is impressive. Gets attention at the Range whenever I shoot it. It has performed sub-MOA all the way out to 500yd (ON A VERY STILL DAY, virtually no wind, once), and in most instances less than 1/2 MOA (200-300yd). At 100 yd, 3/8 inch and under, consistently. The ETRONX is reloadable, but I just use the factory stuff. And, I have been mostly using what virtually everyone here would call the worst scope on earth...NcStar 10-40. Impressed the heck out of me when I dropped a hog faster than with the 30-06 I had been using...same entry point. I started to not even take it hunting, glad I did. Out to about 300yds, I don't think there is much I would not take on with it, up to deer size. The Etronx is just a composite, not as pretty as some of the suggestions, but performs. .220 is a great cartridge for almost any varmint. Raccoons and crows are too easy for it. It is going with me on a hog hunt in Texas next 1st weekend in June (as a supplement to the .458 Lott).
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RONK
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John Holliger is very well known among Hi-Power competitors for his Service rifles and Match rifles, but he also builds varminters. Check out his lefty conversions in the match rifle portion of his webpage.
His customers speak VERY highly of his work and his customer service.
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cheaptrick
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Ah heck...I don't know what to do now.
I might just hitch 'em up and tell The Warden I'm getting a new bolt gun AND and a new AR upper......
Hell yeah!!
(I feel so empowered today for some reason.)
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Jeff H.
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Better do it quick while you feel inspired ;) |
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pyro6999
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you know mark if you didnt shoot "goofy" your life would be so much easier
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They call me "Boots"
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cheaptrick
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I prefer the term "special", Sir.
Well the LH precision AR deal sounds REALLY practical, would solve a myriad of problems and would simplify my life, but I'm more of a bolt gun guy.
Thanks for all the help, fellas!!
I've got some time to think about it before I "pull the trigger on this deal".
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RONK
Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: April/05/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3199 |
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In the lunchroom at work today, I happened across a recent Guns and Ammo magazine that had a great article about Stag ARs. History of the company, etc.
They were shooting around a half-minute with several different factory loads right out of the box. I didn't have time to read the entire article, but it looked really good!
You need to trade your AR in toward a Stag, AND get a dream boltgun, too!
And you should trade in all your Glocks for a Springfield XD-(M), too!
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pyro6999
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look at you, you have a sock puppet, more like "special needs"
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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CatfishSteve
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If you can find a swedish m96 in excellent condition they're deadly up to 300 yards and beyond.
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Dogger
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While you're at it Mark better make sure you hitch them up real tight so won't hurt so much when the Warden dials down your feelings of empowerment.
p.s. if you do get away with this you will have to let me know your secrets.
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God save the Empire!
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Dale Clifford
Optics Jedi Knight Joined: July/04/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5087 |
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in regards to swift, had a 77 hb, rem. varmit, but kept a current custom sako. while an interesting cartridge it is way over bore. the 4000 fps are doable with bullet wts. in the 40 gr range but so is the 204 with lighter bullets. also any good 22-250 in 1/14 twist with a 26 barrel will dup the ballistics, and in the case of the 22-250 AI it will exceed it. short barrel life, barrel heats too rapidly. one good solutin would be a tighter twist rate for 75, through 90 gr bullets-- but then just get a 6mm.
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