QuoteReplyTopic: Have 2 Rifles need 2 Scopes for $500 Posted: March/31/2008 at 20:32
I need to outfit a Rem 700 VLS in 223 and another in 243 ... I am pretty sure that I can got $500 past the Boss without too much of an effort. Based on the 2008 Rifle Scope Rankings I have found these three tier 3 scopes that will fit into my budget.
Does anyone use any of these ... if so, what are your thoughts?
I have no idea which may be the best bang for the buck!
All shooting will be done at ranges from 100 to 500 yards. (primarily 200 - 400)
Target size with range from 12oz pop can to 1ltr pop bottle. (read small to medium Prarrie Poodles)
I have another suggestion which some may not like, but it has worked for me when I didn't have sufficient funds. Get one BETTER scope and good detachable rings/mounts on both rifles. You can only shoot one at a time anyway. Between the 223 and 243, if you calibrate properly, use the proper ammo, the switch over can be pretty painless. In the $500-600 range, you can find a used high-mid to low-upper ranged scope. Watch the samplelist and sometimes you can run across a GREAT deal. I think sometimes they get slipped in there just to see if anyone is paying attention.
Whoa...didn't say there would never be a need, just that it is relatively easy. However, I switch between my 30-06 and .220 Swift regularly, and am generally sighted in in two shots. I guess to some that may be an imposition, but I am really and truly a cheap *&^&*^%.
And the Swift Primiers are nice scopes. Actually, from what I can find, one of the better "deals" on the market in the lower price ranges. Very crisp optics. I own one.
But I don't have two...
Everyone has different ideas about how to handle the "cost to play" issues. I'm sure that someday I will get tired of swapping 1 scope between two rifles. Maybe when I am OLD, like all you guys seem to be (that is possibly a poor attempt at humor...) JUST KIDDING...
1947mercenary...
I just noticed your cutesy little emoticons.
Below, I didn't even TRY to match ballistics, just chose randomly. I can shoot these in in a matter of minutes, but as I said, with a good selection of bullets, ammo loads, etc, it ain't rocket science. I know, I AM a rocket scientist these days. Keeping a data book is helpful, but a mercenary would know that.
Perhaps in 47 ballistics were different. Maybe you cannot make the adjustment, but I can.
READ what was posted.
Manufacturer: Barnes Description: 0.224 dia. 53 gr. Triple-Shock™ X Flat Base
Muzzle Velocity: 3300.0 ft/s Chronograph Distance: 10.0 ft
Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Azimuth: 0.00 MOA Elevation: 0.00 MOA
LOS Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 0.0 mph Wind Angle: 0.0 deg
Target Speed: 0.0 mph Target Angle: 0.0 deg
Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Relative Humidity: 0.0 % Altitude: 0 ft
Vital Zone Radius: 2.5 in Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No
Corrected Pressure: Yes Target Relative Drops: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No
Calculated Parameters
Elevation: 4.50 MOA Azimuth: 0.00 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07647 lbs/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.5 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 268 yds Maximum PBR Zero: 232 yds
Range at Max Height: 137 yds Energy at PBR: 521.3 ft•lbs
Sectional Density: 0.151 lbs/in²
Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yds) (in) (moa) (in) (moa) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (moa)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 3317.4 2.971 1294.9 0.000 0.0 ***
100 1.5 1.4 0.0 0.0 2824.4 2.530 938.6 0.098 0.0 0.0
200 -0.0 -0.0 0.0 0.0 2381.8 2.133 667.5 0.214 0.0 0.0
300 -7.7 -2.4 0.0 0.0 1981.3 1.775 461.9 0.352 0.0 0.0
400 -24.3 -5.8 0.0 0.0 1625.8 1.456 311.0 0.519 0.0 0.0
500 -54.3 -10.4 0.0 0.0 1329.5 1.191 208.0 0.724 0.0 0.0
Manufacturer: Barnes Description: 0.243 dia. 58 gr. Varmin-A-Tor™
Muzzle Velocity: 3300.0 ft/s Chronograph Distance: 10.0 ft
Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Azimuth: 0.00 MOA Elevation: 0.00 MOA
LOS Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 0.0 mph Wind Angle: 0.0 deg
Target Speed: 0.0 mph Target Angle: 0.0 deg
Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Relative Humidity: 0.0 % Altitude: 0 ft
Vital Zone Radius: 2.0 in Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No
Corrected Pressure: Yes Target Relative Drops: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No
Calculated Parameters
Elevation: 4.56 MOA Azimuth: 0.00 MOA
Atmospheric Dens
I have another suggestion which some may not like, but it has worked for me when I didn't have sufficient funds. Get one BETTER scope and good detachable rings/mounts on both rifles. You can only shoot one at a time anyway. Between the 223 and 243, if you calibrate properly, use the proper ammo, the switch over can be pretty painless. In the $500-600 range, you can find a used high-mid to low-upper ranged scope. Watch the samplelist and sometimes you can run across a GREAT deal. I think sometimes they get slipped in there just to see if anyone is paying attention.
You'll thank me later...
+1 I'm of the same opinion.
Go out & buy a one piece picatinny scope base for each rifle. Next, pic your scope. Finally, buy some $40-50 Burris Xtreme scope rings & mount the scope on the .223. Get it zeroed and "zero" the turrets on your scope. Next, move the scope onto the .243 and fire 2 shots. Adjust to zero & fire a couple of confirmation shots. You should now have TWO zero settings and, since you bought a QUALITY scope, the adjustments should be repeatable between the two rifles within one inch or so (give or take).
This has been my experience with two different rifles this deer season. I had to sell one scope at mid season (for Christmas reasons...long story) & shared one scope between a .260 and a .308. The procedure worked fine for me as I swapped & adjusted back & forth a few times before trying it in the field. Everything came off without a hitch...
Nawwww a mercenary would'nt .... he just knows how to hire out his organization fire power for cash . Hired gun = Will travel .... armed bodyguard and armed courier/escort work mostly . Local police officers in our organization .
Edited by mercenary1947 - May/10/2008 at 01:25
One Shot One Kill .... *S.O.F * Head Shots Only
SWFAM
What a joke ..................................... ! The original laugh emoticon was for chris slipping in a surprise item .... don't get your knickers all in an uproar .............
Edited by mercenary1947 - May/10/2008 at 14:30
One Shot One Kill .... *S.O.F * Head Shots Only
SWFAM
mercenary1947...I'm not really dislexic, at least don't think I am. Somehow I got your "handle" backward. My apologies...unintended. Just a slip of the keyboard.
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