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    Posted: March/20/2008 at 14:36
The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.

As John Steinbeck once said: 

1. Don't pick a fight with an old man.  If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.

2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

3. I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy.

4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.

5. A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a .46."

6. An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.

7. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm.  "Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?" "No Ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle."

8. Beware the man who only has one gun. HE PROBABLY KNOWS HOW TO USE IT!!!

But wait, there's more!

I was once asked by a lady visiting if I had a gun in the house. I said I did. She said "Well I certainly hope it isn't loaded!" To which I said,  of course it is loaded, can't work without bullets!" She then asked, "Are you that afraid of some one evil coming into your house?" My reply was, "No not at all.  I am not afraid of the house catching fire either, but I have fire extinguishers around, and they are all loaded too."  To which I'll add, having a gun in the house that isn't loaded is like having a car in the garage without gas in the tank.

I'm a firm believer of the 2nd Amendment!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lucytuma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/20/2008 at 16:23
Good stuff, I like the fire/fire extinguisher bit.
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If the 2nd Amendment is about States right to have militias, then why does it say; the right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed. Instead of the right of the state to keep and bare arms...
If the people have the right to keep and bare arms, but the government has the right to restrict what arms you can keep; how can you call that a right and not a privaledge. After all a rock can be called a arm and the government could say that is all the arms you need.
For just some of the Founding Fathers thoughts on the 2nd Amendment go to kysrpa.org.
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Turns out not even the most liberal of the Supreme court think that the 2nd is about militias and only militias.
 
I always knew you had to be an idiot to think that. 
 
The beauty part is since the militia statement is in there it makes it awful difficult for them to keep machine guns so strictly regulated.
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well said
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The key here is "well regulated Militia" Then "The rights of the people to KEEP and BEAR arms will not be infringed." The well regulated pertains to the MILITIA and that means well trained and equiped, the seperate issue is the rights of the people. and it says "will not be infringed." The direct translation here means that bans on arms are unconstitutional, as it was the intent of the framers to insure that the governed are well capable of defending themselves against a governance out of control, which will use the militias. This makes it imperative that the individual must be allowed to keep and bear the means with which to defend individual interests.
Ted Nugent is exactly right that the debate on this only illustrates that there is a cause for concern in that the Bill of Rights is open for such debate and hence interpretation. IT IS NOT!!!!! IT IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. The only action that should have taken place is that the Supreme Court should have held that the gun ban is unconstitutional and that said gun ban will be lifted. There is nothing to debate. THERE IS NOTHING TO DEBATE!!!!!!!!!


Edited by cyborg - March/21/2008 at 07:29
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

The only action that should have taken place is that the Supreme Court should have held that the gun ban is unconstitutional and that said gun ban will be lifted. There is nothing to debate. THERE IS NOTHING TO DEBATE!!!!!!!!!
 
If that happened it would feel a little more like China with lack of "due process" and actual debate.  The ban will be stricken down and it will be done so legally and fairly.
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It's simple English, and the anti gun zealots are the ones who have twisted the "well-regulated militia" clause to somehow hoodwink people into believing the disingenuous argument that the 2nd Amendment doesn't grant an individual right.

The first clause "a well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state" is merely explaining why the right was granted to individuals to begin with, not a limitation on the individual right.  It is setting up the purpose for the declarative clause "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" to exist.  A similarly constructed sentence might be "An honest, trustworthy friend being necessary for managing my personal financial affairs, the right for Bill to have free, unconditional access to my checking and savings accounts shall not be infringed."  Say I drafted a signed contract containing that language and had it notarized.  Then say Bill proved that he wasn't such an honest, trustworthy friend after all.  It doesn't change the fact that I just gave him the unconditional right to free access to my accounts.


Edited by RifleDude - March/21/2008 at 15:55
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dale Clifford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/21/2008 at 16:00
I agree-- there is no issue.
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I always read the second amendment as a NOTIFICATION to the brand new fledging government that they could not infringe upon our pre-existing right to bear arms----(we ALREADY HAD 'EM----that's how we got rid of King George's yoke about our neck....). It is not, and never WAS, a "right" that the government GRANTED us!!! It doesn't read that way. "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed"----THAT sounds like PRE-EXISTING to ME!!
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

The key here is "well regulated Militia" Then "The rights of the people to KEEP and BEAR arms will not be infringed." The well regulated pertains to the MILITIA and that means well trained and equiped, the seperate issue is the rights of the people. and it says "will not be infringed." The direct translation here means that bans on arms are unconstitutional, as it was the intent of the framers to insure that the governed are well capable of defending themselves against a governance out of control, which will use the militias. This makes it imperative that the individual must be allowed to keep and bear the means with which to defend individual interests.
Ted Nugent is exactly right that the debate on this only illustrates that there is a cause for concern in that the Bill of Rights is open for such debate and hence interpretation. IT IS NOT!!!!! IT IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. The only action that should have taken place is that the Supreme Court should have held that the gun ban is unconstitutional and that said gun ban will be lifted. There is nothing to debate. THERE IS NOTHING TO DEBATE!!!!!!!!!
         Nuff said, end of story.
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EXCELLENT COMMENTS GENTLEMEN..........

"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him." G.K. Chesterton
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Yep, I believe that the document says what it says......It ain't open to RE-INTERPRETATION ( which the liberals call " a Living document" so they can mess with it.....)  
 
 
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