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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote koshkin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/14/2008 at 19:48
Gentlemen, keep in mind that we all have different eyes and some scopes just fit our eyes better than others.  To my eyes, Kahles CL is notably better than the Conquest.  In most lighting conditions, I can see 6.5mm holes in the black with a 2-7x36 Kahles set to 7x.  Same for my CL that is 3-9x42.  However, it is entirely possible, that doctor duck's eyes just match Conquest better than the Kahles.

On T* coatings: they have been around for a long time, but Zeiss seems to have continuously improved them over the years.  T* coatings of today are likely not the same thing as T* coatings of 15 years ago.

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Originally posted by doctor duck doctor duck wrote:

 I want to know what power you can see bullet holes in the black at 1000 yards. I don't mean any harm but I call B.S. on that one.
 
  Notice the Big%20Grin after his post ...... he was kidding. When I shot with him that day we couldn't see the bulletholes past 950 yards Big%20Grin.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Big Squeeze Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/14/2008 at 20:13
Originally posted by huntingtexas huntingtexas wrote:

Originally posted by doctor duck doctor duck wrote:

 I want to know what power you can see bullet holes in the black at 1000 yards. I don't mean any harm but I call B.S. on that one.
 
  Notice the Big%20Grin after his post ...... he was kidding. When I shot with him that day we couldn't see the bulletholes past 950 yards Big%20Grin.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tip69 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/14/2008 at 23:23
When I said there might be focus issues with the CL, it wasn't that I was doubting you knew how to use a side focus, but that it just wasn't totaly focused.  Might even be an issue with the scope.  I say this cause I have noticed with the fast focus style oculars, when the "target" is really clear, the reticle isn't so much.  I have only used my CL one time at the range and messing with it at home and I noticed this.  Since I am not trying to read something at 100 yds with it, I have the reticle focused.
 
Does this make sense and has anyone else noticed this?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bricat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/15/2008 at 00:20
Koshkin is right, maybe Doctor duck's eyes match the conquest better than the Kahles? I know that's true for me. To me, my conquest is the better scope when I compared it to my Kahles cl. To me it looked brighter (in all lighting conditions), clearer, and just gave me an overall better sight picture, all at half the price! I wanted the Kahles to be the better scope because I paid so much for it but if I am honest with myself - everything looks better through the Zeiss.   Bricat.
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Koshkin is dead on, all of us are born with different eyes, and certainly some cotings are going to suit some people better than others. We all have receptors in our eyes that are rods and cones, and then there is also the retina, any of which can vary significantly between individuals. This is why some colors are more pleasing than others to each individual, also why some of us are more light sensitive than others. You can literally take two scopes that are identical in every way except lens coatings and one over the other will appeal more to some of us, and then there will be some that see little if any appreciable difference between the two. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ccoker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/15/2008 at 09:29
that's why there is no substitute for hands on experience
ideally, buy a few scopes, take a few days to evaluate without mounting them and keep what you want and return the others
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Originally posted by huntingtexas huntingtexas wrote:

Originally posted by doctor duck doctor duck wrote:

 I want to know what power you can see bullet holes in the black at 1000 yards. I don't mean any harm but I call B.S. on that one.
 
  Notice the Big%20Grin after his post ...... he was kidding. When I shot with him that day we couldn't see the bulletholes past 950 yards Big%20Grin.
 
Thanks, HuntTex
I don't even shoot @ 1000 yds.
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Originally posted by sakomato sakomato wrote:

I may have made an error.  It is not a VM/V but just a regular V (is there a difference Question) but definitely is a T*
 
 
 
No, that is indeed a VM/V, sakomato.  All of the VM/V models are denoted "Diavari V" or "Diavari VM" (though I don't understand why there are 2 different designations, perhaps it's a generation date thing) on the eyepiece, the "V" meaning it is from their top of the line "Victory" series.  I have the exact same scope, except in an illuminated version. 


Edited by RifleDude - March/15/2008 at 12:21
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Sakomato, no flame intended. Bullet holes in the black are difficult to see. On a good day I can see bullet holes in the black with my Leupold 3,5-10x40 (bright conditions). This is at 100m. I still walk forward to verify the hole and to get that feel good feeling of hitting the black!!!
Bullet holes in the white I can see without a scope!!Wink
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