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sakomato
Optics Master Joined: February/28/2008 Location: Houston Status: Offline Points: 1166 |
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Posted: March/13/2008 at 20:29 |
Yesterday I was at the range shooting 3 guns, 2 of them had Kahles CL MultiZero 4x12x52's and the other had a Zeiss Conquest 4.5x14x44 RapidZ 800.
I took a shot with the 300 win mag that had one of the Kahles on it and I could not see where the bullet hole was. I was using those targets that have 8 individual targets with the black boxes like this
The next rifle up was the gun with the Conquest on it. That bullet hole was as clear as could be. I have noticed this before. I also have a 3x9x50 Conquest that is capable of the same thing.
Anyway, IMO the Conquests beat all comers for resolution and clarity. The 2 Conquests I have are both better than the 2 Kahles CL MultiZero's and my Zeiss Diavari 2.5x10x50 VM/V T*. I do think the Kahles and the Diavari gather more light though.
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Lawnfella
Optics Apprentice Joined: February/02/2008 Status: Offline Points: 67 |
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What distance were you shooting? I have a 3x10 50 CL and a 3.5x10 44 Conquest that I need to compare side by side.
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sakomato
Optics Master Joined: February/28/2008 Location: Houston Status: Offline Points: 1166 |
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I was shooting at 100 yards. If you don't have something like the black square to hide the hole it may be harder to tell the difference.
Or you can see which one you can count the splits in the paper around the hole with!
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Guns only have 2 enemies, rust and politicians
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trigger29
Optics Master Extraordinaire X = 180 Y = 90 (X+Pyro)+(Y-Pyro) = ? Joined: September/29/2007 Location: South Dakota Status: Offline Points: 4353 |
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You guys just HAVE to make me buy a Kahles to compare to my Conquest don't you..........Oh my wife's gonna be pissed. Oh well, she'll get over it........or just be mad for a really long time. Either way I'll have a multizero and be happy.
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3_tens
Optics Jedi Master Joined: January/08/2007 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 7853 |
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I noticed the difference in darker situations. This is where the Kahles shine. But Unless you are on the hunt of a lifetime. the difference would not be double the price between the 3-9 Zeiss to the 3-10 Kahles. I will always be glad the Kahles was purchased, and it is best suited for the rifle it is sitting on.
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Folks ain't got a sense of humor no more. They don't laugh they just get sore.
Need to follow the rules. Just hard to determine which set of rules to follow Now the rules have changed again. |
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8shots
Optics Jedi Knight Lord Of The Flies Joined: March/14/2007 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 6253 |
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I have to ask: Did you use them all at the same magnification? I can see bullet holes with a Leupold 3,5-10x40 at 100yds. Surely all the above scopes on 10x or more are capable of that?
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antleraddiction
Optics Apprentice Joined: January/27/2008 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 137 |
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Would have to agree................
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Tip69
Optics Master Extraordinaire Tip Stick Joined: September/27/2005 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 4155 |
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Sounds to me like your Kahles aren't focused quite right!
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take em!
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tahqua
MODERATOR Have You Driven A Ford Lately? Joined: March/27/2006 Location: Michigan, USA Status: Offline Points: 9043 |
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I agree. It is easy to adjust, too.
Thanks for the report. Edited by tahqua - March/14/2008 at 13:11 |
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3_tens
Optics Jedi Master Joined: January/08/2007 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 7853 |
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I let my wife get another embrodery sewing machine. Then she is happy. I get neat shirts. WIN WIN!
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Folks ain't got a sense of humor no more. They don't laugh they just get sore.
Need to follow the rules. Just hard to determine which set of rules to follow Now the rules have changed again. |
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Big Squeeze
Optics Master Extraordinaire GOOGLE NINJA Joined: August/30/2007 Location: Anaheim, Calif. Status: Offline Points: 3143 |
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I have no problem seeing my bullet holes @ 100 yards set on 9x with my 3x9 4200!....But cannot with a Kahles?? Same backgrounds?.......Conquest all over a Kahles??? Something isn`t right here folks!!!!
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cheaptrick
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Brother, I thank you for your review and you'd be hard pressed to find a bigger Conquest fan than me, (Focus maybe), but that's a pretty bold statement. Especially concerning the VM/V.
EDIT TO ADD:
I have never seen the Kahles CL, just the older Kahles scopes, but even the older ones were better optically than my Conquest.
Edited by cheaptrick - March/14/2008 at 15:54 |
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Ed Connelly
Optics Retard God of no Chihuahua Joined: December/16/2007 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 24225 |
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sakomato
Optics Master Joined: February/28/2008 Location: Houston Status: Offline Points: 1166 |
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Okay guys, I should have made it clear that I could not see the bullet hole that was in the corner of the black square and totally in the black. Of course you can see bullet holes in the clear in the white but when they are in the black of the squares, lots of luck.
Don't know how to adjust a side focus Kahles?? That means I'm trying to keep a good humor about that statement.
I have seen some scopes on friend's rifles where they could not even see the bullet holes in the white. Most notably a Leupold VXIII 3.5x10x50. He along with 2 other friends have since sold their old scopes and bought Conquests after looking through mine.
Yes, clearer than the Diavari (although it is 10 years old so maybe not the new Diavari's).
Again, I have 2 MultiZero's and they are the 4x12x52 models and they are wonderful scopes, just not quite as clear as the Conquests IME.
Flame away.
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cheaptrick
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No flame intended, friend.
Just saying.....
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tahqua
MODERATOR Have You Driven A Ford Lately? Joined: March/27/2006 Location: Michigan, USA Status: Offline Points: 9043 |
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No flame intended here either. I can see bullet holes in the black at 1000 yards with all of my Kahles
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antleraddiction
Optics Apprentice Joined: January/27/2008 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 137 |
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if you own a Diavari VM/V T*, there is no way it is 10 years old............. If I remember correctly the T* coating came out just prior to Zeiss coming out with the Victory binos. I purchased a pair somewhere around 03-04, if I remember correctly, I'll eat crow, if someone can prove me wrong but a Conquest should not be brighter or clearer than a Diavari under any condition. Why would a company build a $1500 scope when a $400 scope will perform better?
Edited by antleraddiction - March/14/2008 at 18:31 |
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Ed Connelly
Optics Retard God of no Chihuahua Joined: December/16/2007 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 24225 |
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No, the Zeiss T* coating has been around for a long time--like twenty five years. All the West German Zeiss scopes of the eighties had T* coatings on them. Zeiss camera lenses had T* coatings going back even before that--I know way back into the early seventies.
When Zeiss decided to start building scopes in the USA for the American market--the Americanized version of the Diavari 3X9X36--they began to use the new MC coating---which is a lesser coating--I think the T* coating is more into the blue spectrum, or something like that...[ Koshkin would know this....] while the MC is different---but still outstanding. The T* is more expensive and is produced only in Germany on the high dollar stuff. ( I remember you could buy a T* Zeiss 3X9 from in the early ninties for $500!!) That was too much money for me in those days..... --Ed
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sakomato
Optics Master Joined: February/28/2008 Location: Houston Status: Offline Points: 1166 |
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I may have made an error. It is not a VM/V but just a regular V (is there a difference ) but definitely is a T*
It now resides on my Mato 338 win mag, but I know that I purchased it somewhere around 1998 or so (give or take a year).
I just recently got the Conquest 4.5x14x44 but I have had the Conquest 3x9x50 for a couple of years now and I have noticed the superior clarity before in that scope. I thought that I had just gotten an exceptional one that was exactly focused at 100 yards. Now with the side focus Conquest 4.5x14x44 I have noticed the superior clarity at the longer yardages also.
I also have a Kahles AH 3.5x10x50 and I can say that it has less clarity than the MultiZeros or the Diavari
JMO but in clarity I would rank the Conquests first, the MultiZero's second, the Diavari third and the Kahles AH fourth. Various other scopes such as a Burris Black Diamond a couple of steps down.
If someone lives in the Houston area I would certainly be glad to meet them and demonstrate, until them next time you are at the range look for the minor superiority of the Conquests on clarity.
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doctor duck
Optics GrassHopper Joined: February/13/2008 Location: Ms. Status: Offline Points: 39 |
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I want to know what power you can see bullet holes in the black at 1000 yards. I don't mean any harm but I call B.S. on that one.
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