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in the box soon
Optics GrassHopper Joined: November/26/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5 |
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Hey all. I'm new to the whole scope thing. I've been using iron sights since I was a kid. However, I am looking at a possible deployment and I was told a good scope is a must have. I trust the guy I got that information from. He said he used a Leupold Mark 4. I would like some input from the people that know about scopes though. Any thoughts would be great. Thanks again.
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cheaptrick
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I'm not what one might call a Leupold fan, but the Mark 4 is a superb
setup for LR work in a "unfriendly" enviorment. If you know what I
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Do you have a budget in mind?? Any certain distances you know you will be shooting?? Welcome to the forum! Watch your 6!! Edited by cheaptrick |
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Well... i have to say that in theory what is a budget when we're talking about staying alive. but in reality i'm sure there is a budget. but i'll have to take that one step at a time.
well what i'm looking for is something that can be used in low light situations. i'll prob have a mounted light too, for those closer shots. i'm looking for something i can use close up and far away. and something that will allow me see the target readily. the scopes i used on my dad's ol huntin rifles had a very slim margin for error when you were aquiring a sight picture.
well there ya go. I was looking at the marine's newly issued scope. but i've heard thats only good at a distance. but it does use tridium, NO BATTERIES INCLUDED! (sorry for the spelling....not my strong suit) |
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ranburr
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ACOG!
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cheaptrick
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I thought at first you were wanting to scope a SWS. An M-24 or equivelent. To much eggnog last nite!
If your wanting to scope a M16, then a ACOG would be an excellent choice. A SN-12 or SN-4 from US Optics would be the heat as well. Expensive as hell, but what's a budget compared to your life, as you say?? They have a list of deals on their website, and have marked certain items down from time to time. I have seen SN-12's and 4's there recently. I have an Aimpoint on my AR for awhile and have shot man sized steel targets out to 200 meters with little problems. Could probably go to 300 meters with it. You have shot out to 300 meters w/ iron sights for rifle qualifacation. Right? The Aimpoint I have offers no magnifacation and a 4 moa dot. Very quick target aquisition. It can literally be used at night. Batteries I have in it are still the originals that came with it. Excellent for CQB duty too. The Aimpoint can be bought for less than $400. I would recommend a LaRue Tactical mount. They are outstanding!! AP and LaRue mount would be less than $500. The Aimpoint or Eotech would be a cheap way to go. ACOG, SN-12, etc. more expensive, but would offer you magnifaction if you felt you needed it. Lastly, I would go to Snipers Hide or Sniper's Paradise and ask around to see what people that have been there have used or are using. Good intel from those sites. God bless. Thank you for your service to our country, Sir. |
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thanks for the intell cheaptrick. I'll look into those sites too. the ACOG that is currenly being used would be great, i know it would work. but the one disadvantage that it has would be, it is only good at a distance. no close shots. but thats what iron sights are for i guess.
i was told the leupold could to both close and far, but its target accqusion is difficult.
and yes i've qualified at 300 meters. lol but mansized target at 300 meters looks like your trying to shot an ant. |
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ranburr
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Actually, the ACOG works great at close range. It uses the Biden or Binden or whatever it is called aiming concept. This alloys you very fast close range shooting and it also allows you to bear down and get the full magnification for long range shooting. In essence the ACOG gives you the best of both worlds.
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Really? Okay thats news to me. How does the ACOG work at close range? If you use a flat top M-16 then you remove your iron sights. Never using the ACOG makes it difficult to get a feel for its capibilities. And that being said...is the ACOG available on the open market?
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ranburr
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Look at SWFAs website, it gives a good description on how the ACOG works and they sell them.
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redneckbmxer24
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ACOG 4x32, not sure the model, but the military model with the sights on top
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The NSN model does not have BAC and the iron sights are completely useless. If you're going to Iraq, get an Aimpoint Comp M2. If you're going to Afghanistan, get a TA31 with the chevron reticle. I've been both places & that's what I'd choose for each.
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I am an army Vet , I recommend you wait and see if your armorer will allow you to make any modifications to your weapon.
Some Commanders can be a bit anal. |
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redneckbmxer24
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in every case i have seen, you are allowed to provide your own optic, thats why you see all those ACOGS over there, im not sure, but i dont think the US supplies them, but im not positive.
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Chris Farris
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BAC - Bindon Aiming Concept
How the Bindon Aiming Concept Works
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Chris Farris
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Another excellent choice is the Leupold Mark 4 CQ/T 1-3x14. It was developed for modern warfare where you have to engage targets inside a building then two blocks away while going to the next building. The CQ/T is like an Aimpoint or EOTech when you set it to 1x (clearing buildings) then it works like an ACOG on 3x (long range)...it is the best of both worlds.
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The ACOG and the Leupold were the two sights that looked the most promising. Thanks everyone for your help. I'll have to decide soon..as my ticket will probably come soon.
How does the Leupold on 1x work for aquiring sight picture? I would think that would be difficult in a stressful environment like that. Also..not liking the reliance on batteries. Thats where the ACOG wins hands down. |
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cheaptrick
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I would stay on the ACOG or Aimpoint.
As Pat Roger's would say" The Aimpoint rules under 100 meters." Pat also tells of a "excellent Marine" who is having great success in the box with a ACOG. Stay safe, Brother. God bless. Please inform us what you end up with. |
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Chris Farris
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1x is the same as no magnification, so the Leupold CQ/T on 1x works just like an Aimpoint or EOTech (super fast). The reticle is still there if the battery dies. One AA battery powers the Mark 4 CQ/T for up to 600+ hours at medium setting
In addition to the circle dot reticle being extremely fast you can also use it to range.
Range Estimating with the Circle Dot Reticle
Dot Size: 3 MOA at 3x, 9 MOA at 1x.
Circle Size: Edge to edge, the subtension of the circle is 18 inches at 25 yards, or 6 feet at 100 yards when set on 3x. From the center of the dot to the edge of the circle, the subtension is 6 feet at 200 yards when set on 3x.
Circle Line: The width of the line creating the circle is large enough to be easily visible, but thin enough so as not to obliterate an 18-inch object at 500 yards when set on 3x. |
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D Wolf
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Check out EoTech, They are awsome in low light shooting. And i think some models have a setting for using night vision goggles.
Good luck over there.God Bless and thank you |
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