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huntingtexas
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O.K. first of all what a great forum here !! Y'all really know your stuff. Second, I know you will be jealous now...... I live about 10 miles from SWFA ( lucky me ) so looking through all the great glass they sell won't be a problem. Now on to my question, after new deer leases this year and two new rifles, my budget is pretty well blown.
I've had Swaro PH's in the past and really liked them. I have a Weatherby Accumark 7mm Wby mag. and a Weatherby Lightweight .240 Wby. mag that I need to scope. I have found a Zeiss Victory 3 x 12 x56 T* for about 1400.00 that I can handle but would need to use it on both rifles.
My question is do you think Talley quick release set-up would retain zero ( left to right ) on both rifles? The trajectory of the two 150 gr. vs. 100 gr. will remain close to 250 yards or so. I thought I could site in the 7mm mag then the .240 mag and if the left to right remained very close, just change the trajectory a few clicks up or down after re-mounting on the other rifle. Thanks in advance.
Richard
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cyborg
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In short no two rifles are going to zero the same. You can take the scope off one rifle and put it back on with minute changes in zero. To accomplish what you seek to, you will need a multi zero scope, like a Kahles or a leatherwood. Or you can also continually change back to center by counting clicks and then count to zero for the given rifle and ammo.
Welcome to OT. Edited by cyborg - March/05/2008 at 15:50 |
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lucytuma
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I would divide that $1,400.00 by two, and still get to very good pieces of glass for $700.00 each.
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Big Squeeze
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huntingtexas
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Very good responces, thank-you. O.K. maybe I should just save a little longer and get a couple of Kahles.... I really do prefer 30mm tubes.
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huntingtexas
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responses too
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Big Squeeze
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Tip69
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I'd vote for two Kahles as well!
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take em!
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lucytuma
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Two bushnell 6500s @ $700.00 apiece would provide you with excellent glass and your 30mm tubes, just food for thought.
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Rancid Coolaid
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Another issue with mount/remount is that there will be changes in zero even if you take the scope off a gun and put it right back on the same gun - obviously, this is magnified if you put it on a different gun.
I've had the same thought too (one great scope for 2 guns) but it just doesn't work in practice it seems to in concept. Buy 2 scopes, zero them, have 2 guns at the ready. |
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I agree totally with the comments you've received so far, huntingtexas. You can get 2 pretty nice scopes for $700 each.
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Big Squeeze
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Huntn Texas.............Other than more adjustment capability, what can a 30mm scope tube do that a 1" tube can`t do??...........If your reasoning is more light capability, the tubes diameter has nothing to do with better light gathering.
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huntingtexas
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O.K. maybe I'm off the mark here but, I have 1 Swaro left on a 7mm/08 and when I raise the rifle the sight picture is " right there ". It was the same on a 270 Wby mag I had with a 30mm Swaro, the sight picture was " right there".
I bought this .240 Wby mag, it had a Leupold VX-III 4.5 x 14 x 50 AO and when I raised the rifle my head looked like a bobblehead doll on the dash of a 66 Chevy truck going down a washboard country road. I had a very hard time capturing a full site picture. I know it's a great scope but I took it off and it's in the closet. My limited experience seems to be that I can get a much quicker site picture with 30mm tubes. I'm sorry about my terminology, I know it's not right but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
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Check for proper eye relief positioning too!
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huntingtexas
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Then other than costing much more and more room for adjustment, are there any other advantages of a 30mm vs. a 1" tube?
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The 30mm tubes are stronger and look more in proportion to 50mm+ objectives. I have a 50mm 1" Leupy and it looks bad. There are several 1.5-6x42 and 2.5-10 Kahles with 30mm objectives here:
http://www.samplelist.com/default.aspx?display_num=10&mfg_selection=5&prod_type=1&hide_sold=false These scopes are excellent and you can get both for close to $1400. |
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huntingtexas
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Thank-you so much for the advice, when I got the rifle I knew it wasn't set up right. The front of the scope was actually touching the barrel. I took it off and will go to SWFA and see what trade in they'll give me on a couple of Kahles. I'm going to start another thread for advice on which Kahles to purchase, I've searched these threads until I'm cross-eyed and still don't know exactly what would work out best for me.
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What you are noticing is what has come to be referred to as the "eye box" or the max distance your eye location can deviate front to back and side to side of the nominal eye relief position with the scope still providing a full view of the target image. Some scopes are more forgiving in this regard than others. Tube diameter has no effect whatsoever on eye relief or how forgiving the eye relief position is. That is solely a function of eyepiece design and focal length. There are some 1" tube scopes with more forgiving ER than some 30mm scopes.
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