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I wonder if we have any active duty folks on the forum who could answer this question. My guess is that had the "Ft. Dix Six" gotten on base with their RPGs and AK47s, they would have been able to slaughter a lot of folks since no one could fight back. I think that the only armed people on the base are a few MPs with 9mm pistols. All the other weapons and ammo are secured and under lock & key, unavailable quickly in time of need. I always remember the scene in "From here to Eternity" when Burt Lancaster had to argue with an NCO to get in the arms room as the Japs were strafing the base.
Would our troops have been like VA Tech? Safe.....but dead?
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The Army is far better prepared for terrorists strikes these days our Generals have a Solid belief in protecting troops on base and have Force Protection measures in place that were not there previously. 

 

One would wonder why there was no anti aircraft weaponry on the roof of the Pentagon on 9-11 also. Bet that was fixed.

 

Only thing I can say is don't FUC* with an Air Force Base or you will find out what real security is - they aren't kidding - and they are Very heavily armed and equiped with  ground FLEER and heavy machineguns for quick response.

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Originally posted by louissr louissr wrote:

I think that the only armed people on the base are a few MPs with 9mm pistols. All the other weapons and ammo are secured and under lock & key, unavailable quickly in time of need.

I would be willing to bet that those 9mm pistols represent just the guns that the average Joe can readily see.  If a threat were to materialize, so likely would the bigger artillery.

 

Originally posted by louissr louissr wrote:

 I always remember the scene in "From here to Eternity" when Burt Lancaster had to argue with an NCO to get in the arms room as the Japs were strafing the base. 

I tend to refrain from using Hollywood productions as the basis of my logic or to define my understanding of any issue.  All such productions (no matter how clever, poignant, or stirring) are nothing more than the product of someone's (often twisted) imagination. The characters do what they do and say what they say only because the script demands it. I apply this policy even in cases of movies that are "true stories" or that are "based on actual events" as all such shows involve the liberal application of "creative license." 

 

 



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Here is the raghead Ft Dix attack plan:
1. get a commercial truck: Joe's Locksmiths
2. draw up fake workorder to repair locks in school
3. ZIP... thru the gate
4. hit school & PX with RPGs and satchel charges

100s dead before first response gets there.

print this out and hang it on the wall so you can buy me that steak dinner when (not if) it happens.

access to the soft areas of any military base is a piece of cake.
"I'm going to pick up my meds at the clinic."
"My kid want to see that F4 on static display."
"Is this the right gate for the surplus equipment auction?"

Remember, I'm not talking about getting to the nuke bunkers . TS facilities or the flight line...just to where there are lots of potential victims.

We are not at war...just ask Speaker Pelosi!
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Originally posted by louissr louissr wrote:

...print this out and hang it on the wall so you can buy me that steak dinner when (not if) it happens.

No one said that an attack would never happen.  US military bases have been, are, and will almost assuredly continue to be attacked throughout the world.  Why should those within our national borders be any different?  What I indicated a willingness to wager on was that the soldiers on gaurd likely have more effective weaponry at their immediate disposal than just the 9mm pistols you see hanging at their side.

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There are always people out there who are a threat, ........ You prepare as best you can and the rest is just luck.

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I agree with U-R, at least the AF allows people to carry pistols with a round in the chamber, unlike the Army who seems to vary between condition 3 in garrison to carrying empty weapon with magazine in the pouch, to empty weapon with empty pouch...to the Navy who seems to vary between carrying a pistol with a two round loaded magazine (condition 3) to having any ammo in a sealed container (can you say "USS Cole")....then you have the Marines who no one seems to be stupid enough to f*** with, to the Coast Guard who are very LE oriented and surprisingly squared away with their firearms training....an example where the ARmy was less than impressive was when I talked to some MPs on an un-named OS base just weeks after 9-11 and couldn't believe the standard load (per garrison leadership) was either a 15 round magazine for those carrying a M9 or one 30 round mag for those carrying a M4 (both in condition 3)....I think a lot of Army leadership is more focused on accounting for ammunition than protecting anyone....reminds me of Iraq when you'd see soldiers ditty-bopping to the DFAC or gym with an empty weapon (per their leadership's instructions).....a weapon is pretty much just a club or something to mount a bayonet on without ammo (can you say "LA riots"....good thing K-mart sold .223 remington ammo).
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 I have several recomendations.

First any facility with military personnel in it should have armed military personel carrying a minimum of 45 rounds of ammunition per weapon with aditional ammunition available in under two minutes. All handguns should be carried with a round in the chamber and holstered in police type threat level 2 or 3 holsters.

 

Second I would like to see our troops supplied with more .308 rifles which I believe is highly superior to the .223. I think a version of the AR-10 like the not yet released Rock River .308 or a Gallil would be useful.

 

I would like to see two armed military recruiters assigned to each high school which would provide security and recruiting opportunity.

 

 Information that may relate to possible future attacks  should be able to be flagged by the reporting officer as suspicious and should be entered into a database immediatly available to F.B.I. analyst and senior force protection officers without having to work it's way up slowly through the chain of command where the ball can be dropped at any level. And do away with the rediculous law preventing military inteligence  and CIA from maintaining files on U.S. citizens who may present a threat to the military & country, or establish a joint task force with FBI which could maintain that type of intel on every base.  We simply need to be smarter about how we do business. It's time to rethink the idea of domestic inteligence for too long law enforcement has been reactive not proactive.



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