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i dont know much about black rifles so i figured i could not only educate myself but maybe others here who are like me, what kind of setup would you guys recommend for a first time black rifle buyer on a budget?? build your own or buy one etc.. what make of components etc.
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That will depend as with most things on what it is you want to use it for.
What calibre? What is the budget? Is it something that you may want to just acquire pieces here and there that will not put a damper on the wallet all at once?
There are many characteristics that one may want to consider.
Also not all AR 15, parts will interchange, some manufacturers use proprietary parts. Not all uppers will fit all lowers etc. Not all use the standard AR 15 trigger assembly. All of these  are things to take into consideration, and prioritize first.
DPMS is a fine rifle that isn't overly expensive, it should be noted though that you can't just use any old M-16, AR 15 magazine.
Rock River Arms is a very solid company also. You could just buy a lower this month, and then buy the upper later when the money is there.
There are also levels of grades that can be purchased for the uppers with most all of them.
The possibilities are seemingly boundless.
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lets say it would be used for plinking or varminting.
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For your first AR, I would suggest buying a complete flat top rifle, straight up, ready to go.

That way you can get some trigger time and figure out later what features you like or dislike and go from there. If you already have a good understanding of AR's and know exactly what you want, then by all means build one as Billy suggested.
Stag Arms, CMMG, Colt, Bushmaster, Rock River, all make very good out of the box AR's and are supposed to have good to great customer service if you should need it. Bushmaster's CS treated me well.
 
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Great advice there Wes. You too Mark.
 
Pyro, what caliber are you looking at getting? I understand the plinking and varminting, still though are you planning just a normal .223?
If so I'd get a RRA lower reciever, and order a target grade barrel for the upper assembly.
You can also order the same set up from DPMS and BushMaster. All are accurate as all get out.
As Mark said,  the ARs are addicting, and all the goodies that can be gotten will leave you broke in no time. You'll find yourself spending more time looking at all the goodies than you do porn.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=230
This is the best of the varmit rifle versions - The Coyote Rifle - Note that it has the Smith Vortex flash suppressor to save your night vision since coyotes are often hunted late evening or night in low light, and has a 3/4 moa accuracy guarantee.
 
 
PS   VERY hard to find this gun, I've only seen one of them.
 
 
My brother has one with a 3-9 4200 in TPS rings. It is very accurate and easy to carry.
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If your on a budget eat some Ramen and save up for an LMT.  Buy once cry once.  Flattop with carry handle and iron sights.  Learn the basics with irons and everything will fall into step, then you can decide which red dot, or which scope you want to put on it if you ever do.
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

$$$$$$ BE ADVISED!!! AR's are money pits!! $$$$$$$$Evil%20Black%20Rifle
 
The first step is admitting you have a problem, which I have not been able to do yet.
 
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I don't see any problem there. Large family to feed though.
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Great advice there Wes. You too Mark.
 
Pyro, what caliber are you looking at getting? I understand the plinking and varminting, still though are you planning just a normal .223?
If so I'd get a RRA lower reciever, and order a target grade barrel for the upper assembly.
You can also order the same set up from DPMS and BushMaster. All are accurate as all get out.
As Mark said,  the ARs are addicting, and all the goodies that can be gotten will leave you broke in no time. You'll find yourself spending more time looking at all the goodies than you do porn.
i never said i wanted to buy one i just want to learn more about them so i have a better understanding of them when you guys talk about them, i feel left out and lost, talking about ar's is certainly a huge hole in my arsenal.
if i were to buy one it would be at least a .223, possibly up to a .308  i wouldnt want a .204 however, since it wouldnt be usuable in minnesota for big game. where the .223 would be.
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I think you would be happiest with one of the Remingtons myself.
 
 
The Byron South edition is nice.
 
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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

I think you would be happiest with one of the Remingtons myself.
 
 
The Byron South edition is nice.
 
if you dont mind me asking chris, what makes you say that?
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one thing that draws my attention, or better yet maybe, my curiousity, is the fact that black rifles are like honda civics, a lot of people have them, and there is a ton of aftermarket options for them the "pimp" them out
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I posted that while you were posting that, "you never said you wanted to buy one".  I assumed that you had decided to buy one and since you are not a "black rifle" kinda guy and would mainly use it for varminting, then the Remington would fit you best because they are not loaded up with tactical features, they are more like a semi auto hunting rifle.
 
 
edited to add:
Byron lives pretty close to us, I've hunted with him and we sponsored a few of his DVDs.  I can ask him if he has any special deals if you are interested.


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i see, i thought maybe there was something not so obvious that i wasnt aware of.Wink
other than cost obviously, is there some draw backs to buying a caliber in an ar rifle besides .223??
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I noted that the 308, and 223 are rather close in terms of cost. Get a simple clean platform and then mod it for your taste and application.
There's a place in Gainesville ahs the Remmy AR 10 in camo for 1,299.00 It's very sweet extended rail etc.
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so for a first timer do you guys recommend holding off on a scope, for a while and just using open sights or scope it right away?



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Get%20Your%20Popcorn%20Ready This is most interesting to me, because I too wouldn't mind owning one, but I have very little knowledge of where to start, though I know I'd go .223 in some type of varmint version.
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Our Alexander Arms shoots, 6.5 Grendel, .50 Beowolf or .223 by swapping out the upper.  You can do the same with the R-15 (.223 or .204) and the R-25 will go .243, .308 or 7mm-08.
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Yeah they can be found for various price ranges. Mine was 1000.00. I sold three rifles to pay for it. There was one in 338 for 1199.00 it was set up differently than mine. There are several at 700-1000.00 in the 223 caliber, all are in different configurations.
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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

R-25 will go .243, .308 or 7mm-08.
 
Boy, I'd LOVE an AR in .243 Winchester.   
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http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/Model_R-25.asp
 
After Remington bought DPMS, they took their rifle and made some changes to make it more hunter friendly and started marketing them under the Remington name.
 
I've heard that they are pretty accurate out of the box.  Here are some of their specs.
 
Model R-25™ Features

Free-floated button-rifled 0.680" Muzzle OD ChroMoly barrels with recessed hunting crown for superior accuracy

Fluted barrel design reduces weight and promotes rapid barrel cooling

Clean-breaking single-stage hunting trigger (factory set to 4.5-5lbs)

Receiver-length Picatinny rail for adding optics and accessories

Ergonomic pistol grip for rock solid aiming and control

Front and rear sling swivel studs

Full Mossy Oak® Treestand™ coverage

Includes 4-round magazine

Legal for hunting in most states

Compatible with aftermarket DPMS 308 Win Magazine Boxes

Lockable hard case included
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Down side to Varmint rifle is they are freaking heavy.  You can get match grade medium weight barrels in 16" and 18" that will easy shoot sub MOA and then you don't have to deal with all the weight.  My first AR was with a 20" heavy barrel and it was not long until I swapped out barrels and put on a 16" light weight.  IT shoots just over 1 MOA and does everything I need it to do.   If it is just a range queen then a long one would work, but if you plan on packing it around as I do mine get the 16" barrel, those couple extra pounds make a world of difference.

I completely build mine rifles from parts.  Sometimes I will buy the uppers assembled, but I usually like to build them myself then I can get the exact part configuration I need.  They are very easy to put together.  There are good instructions with pics on AR-15.com and really anyone with experience with tools and assembly things can build one.  The hardest part is lining up the gas block with the gas port on the barrel and that is pretty easy. 

As far as mixing parts.  If you use STAG, Bushmaster, Del-ton, Rock River, White Oak, DPMS, Olympic Arms, and I am sure many others all the parts will fit together fine.  You just need to make sure what ever parts you buy are mil-spec and they will fit together no problem.  A lot of the house name brands like Del-ton are actually made in the same machine shops as some of the big names.  Del-ton brand is made in the same shop that builds all Bushmasters parts.  You can save a lot of money buying names like Del-ton. 
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