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Optics GrassHopper
Optics GrassHopper

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Thanks to all who gave me advice a little while back when I was looking for the best price to qualtiy ratio for a scope.


I was looking for the best system I could have for a goal of a low total.


Ok, my goal was a sniper system on the cheap.


I ended up getting a Savage 110FP in .300 Win Mag new in box from a local gunstore for
525.00$ which includes the sales tax


A Harris Swivel Leg Notch Bipod legs on sale from (competitor)U.S.A. for
79.99 add in 5$ towards shipping as it was part of a larger order and round it to


I was not sure if I wanted a fixed power like SS so I put on a 39.99 Target Sports 10x42 30mm P4 (like mildots but lines)  reticle scope with flip up covers and mounts.  add 5$ shipping as it was part of a larger order.


B-Square savage RH long action base
15$ at local gun store

This is a 670$ sniper system.
Add in a box of Hornady Heavy Magnum 180gn SP Interlock and I was still under 700$.


I put on the bipod, mounted the scope, eyeballed it for bore sight by looking down the barrel with the bolt out, and headed for the range.


Not having kit to bore sight with and not wanting to bug anybody I started at 25m.


My first shot was dead on for windage, and about 3" low.


I made some correction to elevation, and was now an inch low.


I backed up to 50m,

I made another correction, and popped a hole dead through the bullseye.


Some days you get lucky, and other times you have to dick around getting a zero with a new scope, but today was my day.


My goal was 1.4" high at 100m, which would make me only 6" low at 300m. (I believe in a "6 inch circle of death" from 0 to 300m with no elevation changes needed.)


so I shoot shots number 4, 5, and 6 from my brand new rifle.
No break in, no cleaning between shots, nada.
I believe shoot for the day, clean when done. Not trying to ruffle feathers,

it is what I do.  Other plans opinions are fine by me, do what works for you

but this is what works for me.


First shot from a clean, cold barrel
and follow ups from the dirty bore hot or cold are what count.

My opinion, for what its worth.  Not knocking what other people do, this is what I do.


this was from prone, bipod, off hand supporting stock to my shoulder. no sand bags, special jackets, etc.


This gun and set up, are inherently accurate enough to be better than my meager skills can hold to.  I know the magazines and some peoples exaggerations have you thinking much better groups than this are the norm.  But I have been shooting since I was 6, hunting (legally) since I was 10, and also over 20 years in the military.  I am not saying I am a God shooter or even a fully trained sniper.  But I have been around lots of shooting and know what to really expect.  For a  first 3 round group from a factory stock production bargain brand rifle and factory ammo picked at random, this is nice.  Very nice.

I would really like to see what it does clamped in a rest- 1/4 to 1/2 MOA mabye?

you don't hunt or shoot people from a solid, holding rest like that so why bother thinking of it.


it was a touch higher than I wanted so I dialed my elevation knob and then..

Shoots number 7.8. and 9 were done semi rapid-
work action,
work action,

this was planned to take 10 seconds, un rushed, but it took twelve.  The action is not as smooth as my 50 year old well used winchester and I was not as clean and smooth working it as I planned.


I had adjusted my zero too low,
and the group opened up a bit,
but again,
this rifle and set up are more accurate than my ability and it was done for quite a small price compared to some set ups.


the accutriger on the savage was a pleasure out of the box.  If your previous savage experience was pre accutrigger, give the modern savage a try.  it is better than any out of the box rifle I have shot and it is even,
and I say this with guilt like I am betraying my rifle that was my grandfathers, fathers, and mine for many hunting seasons,
but yes its trigger is better than my 1956 Winchester Model 70 30.06.


I can spend 300$ on a much better scope and still be under a grand.  I got this cheapo scope because it is 10X like the SS many reccommended to me, but I wanted to be sure I was OK with fixed power.  It was fine today, and I will play with it a little more and see.  If all goes ok adjusting to fixed power I guess a SS will be right up my alley.

The savage stock, well,
I will not call it cheap. I think It is well made, some nice touchs with the recoil pad and QD posts, etc. But,
I will say it is not of the heaviness and stiffness of the more expensive rifles.

I want to say it is a good stock, better than a typical synthetic hunting stock, but not on par with pricer varmit/tactical stocks.


the range 4 miles from my house only goes to 100m.
I will have to take a longer trip to really see how it reaches out and touches someone.


The scope returns to zero and is fairly close to the 1/4" it is supposed to be.  the mounts, flip up covers, etc are all cheap, but it is a good way to test your liking for a fixed power at little cost. 


I have loaded up the spent brass with neck sizing in lee dies, wlr primers,

60grains of IMR 4064, and 150gn hornady bt sn (mabye this is not the best powder, but I keep things simple and reload .225 winchester, 5.56, .308, and 30.06 all with the same powder (different weights of course).  I also keep it simple and load the .225 and 5.56 with the same hornaday 55gr .224 bullets, and the .308, 30/06, and now 300 win mag with the same.

We will see if it likes the neck sized reloads any better, but man it took to that factory fine as far as I am concerned.


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I really enjoyed reading your report. Thanks for that.

Those silly Savages!!  

They are so lethal accurate out of the box!!

I'm going to get a LH version of the rifle you got soon. I may go with a .300 WM too.


May I recommend IMR 4350 and RL 22 for your .300 WM and 180gr. pills??

Especially the RL 22.


I use Lee neck and FLS dies with good success.


I can highly recommend the 10x SS too.

Just got mine from the good folks here and I am more than satisfied.

I feel like I stole that scope for only paying $300!!


Thanks again for the SITREP, Brother.

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Optics Apprentice

Joined: January/14/2006
Location: United States
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Nice write up, and nice groups for the first time out and factory ammo. Looks like a lot of potential after load development. Good luck and enjoy.
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Optics GrassHopper

Joined: February/25/2006
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Thanks for the reloading tips.  I agree I should get more serious about load development.


Here is the 60 grains of IMR 4064 (which I also use for .225 winchester, 5.56, 7.62, 30/30, 30.06, and now 300 win mag)

WLR primer

the brass from the Hornady Heavy Magnums I shot

and Hornady 150gr (which I also use in 7.62 and 30.06)


(I know I probably should try and pick the best for each round, but the same way I use the same 55gran hornady vmax for .225 and 5.56 also, I guess I just stock up on a SHTF/TEOTWAWKI scenario and stock what I can use for the MOST stuff instead of stock what is BEST for each thing.)


basically on par with the factory ammo.

My buddy tried to get me to put it in his "lead sled" and see how accurate the rifle and the rounds really were.  but man, I just feel like that is so fake.  mabye I should just to see, but never lose sight of the fact I will never shoot anything for real that way.


What do you guys think-

would that be a more fair test of the rifle and the ammo and take my failings out of the equation?


Would be interested to hear what you think is better-

test rifle and rounds for inherent accuracy with artificial assitance


test rifle and rounds the way I shoot?



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