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I am new to this forum, but have found it very infomative and have enjoyed it very much thus far. I recently
purchased a Savage 10FP-LE1A in a .308 Win. , 20'' barrel and Choate stock. I have recently been bitten by the bug,
and have been hunting non-stop this season with my father's rifle... all though hunting is not the limit to the
interest I have in long range shooting. I hunt whitetail in Alabama where the average range to target is 100 meters.
I also hunt whitetail and elk in Ontario where the range to target can exceed 450+ meters. Quite often the hunting
is at dusk and dawn. Hiking and climbing are often involved so the scope and mounts need to be tough.

I need guidence in choosing optics... Price is of course an issue, but i want to purchase the correct optics for me
the first time and not have to spend money updating because i skimped on a scope now.

Manufacturer?
Mil dot?
Illuminated?
magnification?
Objective?

Thanks for any help you guys can offer...

Robert

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be
safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the Future!" - Adolf Hitler, 1935
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if your looking for a tactical scope, for hunting, a SS10X42 would be too much. i would check out the leupold PR 3.5-10x40, or if you can spend the extra money, the MK4 3.5-10x40 M1, or M3. both are the same price, and i beleave you would really like those M3 knobs for fast drop compensation for that 308. all are available with either duplex, or mildot, and its your choice, get what you prefer, but with the M3, if you have a range finder, the mildot isnt really needed, so you could save yourself some cash.

 

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Thanks for the advice...would you recommend an illuminated reticle? and would you recommend the leupold over a nikon?
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yes, i prefer the leupold over the nikon, because i have very little experience with the nikon tacticals, but the military, and law enforcement agencies use leupold for a reason, a illuminated reticle is a personal preference, i happen to like them, but unless i need it, i dont pay the extra money, its jsut one more knob to clutter up the scope.

 

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Leupold's lifetime warranty is that good if the scope changes hands...does the warranty follow the scope and not the owner?
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it certainly does, dont even worry about filling out the warranty card, there cust service is #1, you will have your scope, or another one just like it back in around 2 weeks.... very fast service.

 

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Hiking and climbing with a 20" .308 used for deer and elk possibly out to 450 meters in low light.

 

Even though it is a Law Enforcement type rifle It sound like you need a rugged no frills type hunting scope to me.

 

Manufacturer? Burris, Zeiss, Leupold or Nikon
Mil dot? Yes (does not really detract from performance and could come in handy for those long shots)
Illuminated? No (gets in the way by snagging and adds weight)
magnification? 4-16ish (4x is fine for Alabama and 14-16x is more than enough for 450 meters)
Objective? 44-50 (you will need a lot of exit pupil to make 450 meter shots in low light)

 

Conclusion:

Burris Signature Select 4-16x44 Ballistic Mil Dot.....$495.95

Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x44 Mil Dot.....$749.99

Leupold 4.5-14x50 Mark 4 LR/T, Mil Dot.....$889.95

Nikon Tactical 4-16x50 Mil Dot.....$999.99

 

The Burris is a steal at that price and probably the most durable.  All are optically excellent with the Zeiss being slightly better.  If you plan to make adjustments for distance via the elevation knob, the Leupold M1 is by far the best.  The Nikon is kinda a mixture of all of them but pretty pricey.

 

Honorable mention for the Bushnell Elite 4200 4-16x50.  Not offered in a mil dot reticle.  Comes with sun shade, adjustable objective, rain guard coatings, free $100.00 gear bag, 4x erector (4-16), low profile target style knobs and is very reasonably priced.

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Thanks for the Advice... Its greatly appreciated.

The savage is a heavy but very durable rifle and it was the right price... the rugged synthetic stock and matte finish w./ bull barrel are just what
I was looking for. The accutigger also seems to be very nice for a stock rifle. I am also hoping that I will be able to use this rifle to attend a long
gun class somewhere like black water.

Which of these three scopes would you recommend for uses i've listed?

Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 3.5-10 x 40 mil dot, with M3 knobs ... with the bullet drop compensator dials for the .308
Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 4.5-14.5 x 50 mil dot, with M1 knobs
Nikon Tactical 4-14 x 50 mil dot

If not one of those three... please let me know. the leupold warranty is something I like a lot.

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i would still stick with the 3.5-10, its enough to get you to 1000 yards, and more than enough for critters at 500 yards. so the 3.5-10x40 would be my first pick unless varminting is a use, then its a personal preference, ou might as well buy the 4.5-14x50, and have that extra magnification if you need it, and you'll have a larger exit pupil on the top end.

 

cory

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I'd side with Cory on this one.  I do not think that going as fas as 14x is needed for big game hunting out to 500yds.  If low light is involved, you do not want to crank it up that high any way.   I'd be surprised if you ever need to use anything beyond 6x.  The best bang for the buck can be had in a 3-9x variety.  Zeiss Conquest is a good scope for the money.  I like the IOR 2.5-10x42 very much as well and consider it superior to the Conquest (it is more expensive though) and comparable to German made scopes.  It all depends on what price range you are looking at.  Leupold have great warranty, but you pay a lot for the name.  Sightron has excellent warranty as well and costs less.

 

Personally I'd look very hard at that IOR.  If you are willing to spend more money buy a 1.5-6x42 from Zeiss or S&B; that's a classic low=light setup.  If you want to spend less than $500 look at Zeiss Conquest, Burris Black Diamond and Sightron S2 or S3.

 

Ilya

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