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http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=FNF049&gid=FNG022&mid=FNM0137
 
Just got done fondling this thing at Gander Mountain a little bit ago.
Anybody shot one, owned one, know about one?
 
Dale Clifford prolly gots 3 or 4 of them....Wink
 
Looks kinda interesting and handled much better than I thought it would after seeing pics of it on the "intra-web".
Ergonomically, it sort of reminded me of a Benelli M4.   
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It should be a good rifle. My only point of hesitation would be how accessable are the magazines. One would think that they would have used FN-FAL magazines but they didnt.
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I've lusted over the same gun at my local Gander Mountain.   I'm with you Wes, on mags and other goodies for it.   
 
I think Ick owns one...you might wanna pick his brain.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

It should be a good rifle. My only point of hesitation would be how accessable are the magazines. One would think that they would have used FN-FAL magazines but they didnt.
Good point, Wes. Got to use it's own magazines.  
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CMMG is selling 20 round FNAR mags for...(gulp)...$49.95........Whistling
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Most .308 mags new from the rifle manufacturer sell for about that.  Springfield Armory, DPMS etc. and that is if you can find them, I paid that much for some old surplus m14 mags for an M1a during the last hi cap ban.   If they work well its worth the cost after all a half dozen of them is quite a bit of firepower and to put $300 in mags with a $1000+  rifle is not that outrageous.  Want high priced mags buy some Accuracy International mags.
 
P.S.  When you order mags from CMMG they charge your card then it takes them about 4 months or so to build the mags but they do eventually shiip them.


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Yeah, but I'd rather have a M1A than this FN deal, at least for now. The M1A has way more cool factor, if you ask me.

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M1A,M1A.M1A,M1A all the way  Big Grin
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The M1a is cool but it in the standard configuration it is not as accurate as the new gas guns. It also is very particular about what ammo you use. Use too heavy a bullet and you bend the op rod.  Horniday reloading manual has Service Rifle .308 loading info which is reduced loads from other .308 loads.  Then try to keep track of which of your reloads is loaded down for the M1a.  It also is critical that you use the primer pocket uniformer tool on the brass.  Soft primers and out of spec primer pockets can cause issues with double firing if the trigger is too light.  Beware of who you have do any work on the rifle especially the trigger.  These guns can be made to shoot very well but it is quite expensive and takes people who know what they are doing like GA Precision or Smith Enterprises.
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Look at this rifle very closely- can you see the outline of the Winchester XCR rifle in there? I looked at the Winchester version at the Mobile,Al gunshow this morning. Very nice looking and handling rifle. Beautiful wood too.
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shot a 300 win and a 308, they shoot and act just like a Browning BAR, (same gas action), personally the grip angle was to low for me. ie. the trigger group doesn't come down lower in the action as in an AR10. also the bolt release is cheesy. Sako trg mags. run $250 each.
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Thanks, Dale. I had a feeling you'd fooled around with one.  

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Originally posted by HuntMaster HuntMaster wrote:

Look at this rifle very closely- can you see the outline of the Winchester XCR rifle in there? I looked at the Winchester version at the Mobile,Al gunshow this morning. Very nice looking and handling rifle. Beautiful wood too.
 
I haven't seen that rifle either. I'll look it up. Thanks.
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That's it.
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Just bought a FNAR-H about two weeks ago. She is heavy! I swear they took a MG240G barrel, fluted it, put a target crown on it and fitted it to the receiver! I had to wait a week for new rings to mount a USS Xotic 56x4-16 scope on it. Fitted a Harris bi-pod. Shot about 60rds of Black Hills 168s, Federal 168s, and Horandy 168 TAPs. All fed with no worries. First shot at 25yrds to get on paper, then took it out to 100yds. Adjusted the scope a few clicks and was ON! 1-MOA if I do my part. Gong to work up some hand loads and see if I can get one ragged holes. Trigger was about 4-5lbs with a little creep just before the hammer falls. After shooting took it home to clean it. ONLY the gas plug had any carbon on it! The rest of the gas system was clean. As others noted, the mags are going for (at my local gun shop, they had 6 on hand) for $55+tax. There are a number of them on Gunbroker too.
Puts a Sh!t-eating grin on my face!
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Thank you for your commentary, Sir. It was a cool looking rig for sure!
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I know it's not the same, but since the M1a has been brought up; I really have the hots for one of the AR-10 variants. I just can't decide which manufacturer, since they all have different features or magazines...... Just thought I'd mention it.
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It is just a modified browning BAR as is the Winchester version of the hunting rifle.  Ick has one and talks about it quite often.
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I am actually going to a range with a buddy of mine tomorrow.  He knows a lot more about rifles than I do.  He hasn't shot it yet.  I am interested to see what he has to say about it.
 
He is a much better shot.  Perhaps his groupings will be a bit tighter.....
 
 
 
2o rounds at 100 meters.  I count 19 hits.... not all on the paper, lol.


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FN has a booth at the National SWAT Championships.  The three day event is hosted by The United States Shooting Academy. There are 18 teams with 180 competitors from as far away as Europe taking part. It is open to the public and will wind up tomorrow. FN has quite a display in their booth they are really pushing their products and the FNAR. I am hoping to be able to go back tomorrow. I stopped today for a short time to watch some of the building clearing drills. I even wore my SWFA CAP.  The heat is making it tough because a lot of the completions rely heavy on physical endurance. They are putting on quite a show. Next year I will try to find out earler so maybe some of the OT can visit. It would be a good show for Chris and SWFA to be at too.
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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

I even wore my SWFA CAP.  
 
Way to represent, Bro!  Thunbs Up 
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

The M1a is cool but it in the standard configuration it is not as accurate as the new gas guns. It also is very particular about what ammo you use. Use too heavy a bullet and you bend the op rod.  Horniday reloading manual has Service Rifle .308 loading info which is reduced loads from other .308 loads.  Then try to keep track of which of your reloads is loaded down for the M1a.  It also is critical that you use the primer pocket uniformer tool on the brass.  Soft primers and out of spec primer pockets can cause issues with double firing if the trigger is too light.  Beware of who you have do any work on the rifle especially the trigger.  These guns can be made to shoot very well but it is quite expensive and takes people who know what they are doing like GA Precision or Smith Enterprises.
 
I longed for an MIa for a long time, and came real close to getting one, but all these issues, (and a few more), weighed too heavily against it.
 I think there are better .308 battle-rifle platforms out there now, I am beginning to search for which is the best.
 My personal criteria, of admittedly limited and highly questionable experience, is shaping up like this so far:
 
.308 Winchester (Or 7.62x51mm NATO) chambering. Also would consider 6.8 SPC.
 (Adjustable) Gas-piston operation, NOT direct-impingement. Operating gasses to vent at least a foot from shooter's face, and in a forward or upward direction.
 Semi-auto only.
 Reciprocating charging handle
 No forward-assist stupidity, other than the bolt-mounted, reciprocating charging handle.
 M1- type magazines okay, but I would actually prefer Garand-style en-bloc clips!
 (Yes, really!) OKAY, I know that's not going to happen..
 20-inch medium barrel, fluted is fine. 22-inch fine.
 Preferably free-floated.
 One-piece stock would be preferable, but not necessary.
 Chrome-lined barrel of Bushmaster quality. 1-10 Twist rate or slightly faster.
 A thumb safety, ala the 500 Mossberg shotgun would be too good of an idea to ever see production. But not on a pistol-grip-type firearm., as Dale notes on p.3. 
 Tool-free takedown and dissassembly.
 Picatinny railed reciever
 Stock adjustable for L.O.P and comb height.
 Compatable to 1907 sling or similar
 
(Such a rifle does not exist (yet!) in any form of which I am aware.)
 
These are somewhat random and probably disconnected thoughts, but I'd be interested in what any of you guys would add or subtract from those criteria and why.
 
I'd also be interested to hear what some of you would think would come the closest to meeting those criteria of current or even of obsolete firearms.
 
I think a good deal of it may be relevant to this interesting thread!
 
 Edited to add the red stuff...
 


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My buddy with the technical expertise couldn't make it so my Nephew and I dumped about twenty 30 round magazines down range without doing so in a carefully considered manner!
 
We didn't shoot the FNAR, we shot the 5.56 M4 and the 22lr M4.
 
Great fun.


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don't think you want a mossberg top safety on a pistol grip, they are almost impossible to reach, test out the mossberg -- mostly the gun (ronk) describes is an FN or DSA variant. If the Masadas ever get going they will be close. If you allow other calibers the Robinson XCR also comes close.
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