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I've looked at/through a couple of variables on my .458 Lott.  I can find no reason to have other than a fixed power scope, if the decision is made to scope it.  I am still considering going back to iron sights, but the 4x scope I have mounted now is plenty good for out to much further than I would ever shoot dangerous game.  With open sights I can hold 5 rounds inside 4 inches at 300yds, with the 4x I am under 1MOA out to 400yds.  
I am fairly new to the big bores, have only had mine for a year, but I just don't see a need for a variable scope...even low power.  The 4x is excellent for very short ranges, and is good for further than is smart to shoot at BIG game.  If an angry Cape Buffalo is charging, you are not going to adjust the power ring, at least probably not more than once.  
So why would anyone want a variable on a big bore?  Logical reasoning.  

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My thought on this is if one selected something like the Leupold 1.5-5x20 one could take it to the range sight it in at 5x and hunt it at 1.5.  I tend to think that 4x is too much power for up close and personal.  Once you are out at about 50 yds to 75 yds the 4x is about right and very nice at 100 to 200.   But the metal meets the meat at 15 to 35 yds and you must have adequate field of view to get on target.  I also think that the illuminated Trijicon and Aimpoint scopes make a lot of sense  using Bindon Aiming concept.  I am quite fond of my 1.5x  TA442 and the Aimpoint Comp M4. I think a 2 moa dot is about right.  I also really like the Trijicon accupoint 2.5-10x56 with the amber post.  Do you need a variable NO and the recoil factor is such that most fixed power scopes will live longer than the variables under that kind of recoil.  Should you choose to go back to open sights I would consider a tritium illuminated night sight as the things you hunt with those guns will hunt you back.  One of my friends has a lioness mounted in his den that came into camp hunting the hunters at night.
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Ya, what ever happened to fixed 2x power scope, you still see it for the pistol scopes but very difficult to find for a rifle scope?
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Really it only makes sense. There are few exceptions in the large caliber cartridge set ups. Most are suited for dangerous and extremely large game animals. There is no need to go more than 4X on these set ups. Using fixed powers seems a natural fit. Smaller scopes take less abuse on hard kickers. They require the minimum objective sizes due to smaller fixed power ranges. It does bear that a variable is useful as well though. There are times when having a fixed 4 power is detrimental. That is where the intended use comes in to the equation. It also is known that in modern scopes that the smaller variables are every bit as durable as the fixed scopes are. Fact is that all scopes with internal adjustments are somewhat subject to shock. Fixed or variable makes little difference. The erector is adjustable on both, otherwise they are exterior adjustment.
The bottom line is the intended use dictates cartridge, rifle, and scope choice.
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On my 375, I prefer my 1.5-5x20 VX3. A fixed 4x would not be my choice in hunting any dangerous game. 1.5x on the low end offers a wider FOV and faster both eyes open acquisition with no squinting.
 
When hunting dangerous bears or caped buffs in thicker cover at closer ranges, the scope will be set on 1.5x and be at the ready for anything un-expected.
 
If the terrain warrants and a longer shot is needed out to 300-400 yards, I`ll have the extra magnification if quickly needed, adjusting during the stalk and before the shot.  
 
Along with good FOV`s, the TOP priorities of a DGR scope are speed, speed and speed.
 
 
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Squeezer are you going to invest in one of the new VX3s?  I think you should for one of your other rifles and give us the low down on the improvements that are suppose to be with these new ones.  
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Squeezer are you going to invest in one of the new VX3s?  I think you should for one of your other rifles and give us the low down on the improvements that are suppose to be with these new ones.  
............Not really planning to! I`ll wait and read everyone else`s reviews on the improvements made. Unless the improvements are significant enough, I won`t be moving up or have the need to. For now, I`ll let others be the guinea pigs. Pig............Wink  
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Dang I was hoping you would so I could decide if I want one for my 45-70.  I have always liked the power range just not the glass.  I need someone to do a good comparison between the two to help me decide.
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im going to give my team primos a real test, i put it on top of my .375H&H, i emailed nikon yesterday asking them if they thought there scope would handle the recoil, there response today was a short and simple "yes" and thats all they said.

not saying that has a damn thing to do with the topic at hand.Bandito
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For certain types of hunting that might be a good set up. You'll have to do a comment on the reticle design and how it works for that cartridge.
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 I have taken a deer at a dead run at under 20yds with the Lott/4x combo, so that is not a big factor for me.  And when I went through my "phase" of not being able to pull the trigger earlier this year, I had deer within 10yds that would have been no problem.  Closer than that, and I can "point shoot".  

You know, I may have to give a Leupold a try... that 2.5 is something to think about.  Truthfully, had not considered that mag range.  Should be good enough for up to 400yd, about as far as I would ever willingly shoot with the .458.  There are the exceptions, but...  
I could always put an Ellis Optics Omega scope on it, there is no doubt it will hold up, but it is just not "suited" for that type of rifle.  
The 375 is a truly respectable DGR, in any of its variations, but none are banging at the level of the .458 Lott.  I DID call Leupold when I was originally thinking of scoping the Lott... the guy said he truly did not recommend a variable for that rifle.  Think what you want, but I consider the .458 WinMag, which can be shot in the Lott, light loads.  
I tried the FO front sight and did not like the way it looks.  If I go back to iron, think I will paint the little ball on the front sight with some "glow in the dark" paint and call it good.  

Thank you. Definitely some things to consider.


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no .375 and the .458 arent in the same zip code, some day when i grow up a .458winmag will be my end of belted magnum collection, and when i buy it, its getting a leupold scope put on it, and actually some day my .375 will get one too, i may never end up in africa, but at least for now i at least have a rifle to take there.
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

 I have taken a deer at a dead run at under 20yds with the Lott/4x combo, so that is not a big factor for me.  And when I went through my "phase" of not being able to pull the trigger earlier this year, I had deer within 10yds that would have been no problem.  Closer than that, and I can "point shoot".  

You know, I may have to give a Leupold a try... that 2.5 is something to think about.  Truthfully, had not considered that mag range.  Should be good enough for up to 400yd, about as far as I would ever willingly shoot with the .458.  There are the exceptions, but...  
I could always put an Ellis Optics Omega scope on it, there is no doubt it will hold up, but it is just not "suited" for that type of rifle.  
The 375 is a truly respectable DGR, in any of its variations, but none are banging at the level of the .458 Lott.  I DID call Leupold when I was originally thinking of scoping the Lott... the guy said he truly did not recommend a variable for that rifle.  Think what you want, but I consider the .458 WinMag, which can be shot in the Lott, light loads.  
I tried the FO front sight and did not like the way it looks.  If I go back to iron, think I will paint the little ball on the front sight with some "glow in the dark" paint and call it good.  

Thank you. Definitely some things to consider.


.....Kick!......... I`m gonna shoot with ya straight here!!..........If I had a choice between the fixed 4x that you now have on your 458 vs the 2.5x Leupy Ultralite, which one do you think I`d take?.......You should know my answer!
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I would go a 6-24x50.  That would be the best on a .458 lot
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The 458 Lott`s advantage is simply more stopping power for dangerous game. In that dept., the 375 cannot compare as well.
 
However! The 375 is a more versatile and better balanced for more variety of game. It`s a flatter shooting, all-round cartridge for the plains, along with the capability in closer quarters to down anything on the planet using the right bullet.
 
With a 375, one has the flavor and balance of all worlds, as opposed to just one or two. 
 
 
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I would go a 6-24x50.  That would be the best on a .458 lot
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Fine then Squeeze how about the 8-32x56
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im going with a 3x9 for the .375 for now, maybe someday i will make a dgr out of it but not today.
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Ed do you see the copyright in the bottom right corner of that pic.  It means don't post it. 
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i do think under the right applications a  big flat shooting .375 could benefit from a big scope like that supertool, you may be on to a new "craze" with that
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I was just being a smart ass.  However it might make a nice longer range rig with the right bullets and barrel
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I was just being a smart ass.  However it might make a nice longer range rig with the right bullets and barrel


i kinda was being one alsoBucky, intresting thought though, you could load up a 235gr bullet with the .375 and launch it to 2800fps or better
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Nah, you need like a 350 grain SMK with a .7 or so BC.  That would be awesome

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