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Ok guys I searched the forum and really can't find what I need to know.

I am looking to get a 4x or 6x scope for something like a 25-06 Handi Rifle, just a plain old truck gun, nothing special.

My scope budget is about $300

what would you rate as the best scopes under this dollar amount, in order from best to worst.

What I have been considering:  Weaver K4 or Leupold FX-II

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You can't beat the 4200 Elite 3-9X40 for $289.99 available from this site's sponsor!  I know its not a fixed scope, but you'd have to spend quite a bit more to get anything better.  I just looked at SWFA's site and the only fixed guys that I found would be an
IOR                   4X32   1"         $359.95
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Zeiss                 4X32   1"         $379.95
Leupold  FXIII   6X42   1"         $379.95
 
 
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Leupold has a whole line of fixed power scopes
http://www.swfa.com/c-94-leupold-fixed-power-riflescopes.aspx

But I agree with Tip69, it is tough to beat the 3-9x40 4200.  It is a way nice scope for the money.
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I think the weaver k4 would be a good scope for plain old truck gun, weaver makes a good, inexpensive scope that is very reliable.
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I guess really the K4 is what I like for the sake of not alot of money to worry about hurting, however I am concerned with it being a reliable scope that I can get a couple years out of without it taking a crap and not having to adjust every other time I use it.
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I don't know if the new Weavers are like the old ones, but my first deer rifle that was handed down to me by my dad had a 4x Weaver on it.  It had been on that rifle for a good 15 years before I got it and I used if for several seasons on it and then transfered it to a .22.  I dropped the gun one day and it shattered the scope, but it worked great for all those years and always kept a good zero.  So I am betting it will serve the purpose you need great.  I doubt it will have the clarity of some of the scopes that are twice the price, but it'll probably fit your need just fine.
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I got along just fine for several years with fixed power scopes..........then everyone started telling me I was wrong, and I was behind the times.  Naturally, I listened........and paid a hefty price!    Hammer
 
 
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I just got on here to ask about 4x vs. 6x, and look what I found.  Anyone have any comments as to whether a 4 or 6 is better?  How much do you give up on range with the 4x?  How much close up field of view do you give up with the 6x?  One more thing, anyone have an opinion on old Weavers vs. old Leupolds? 
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Originally posted by cdchondas cdchondas wrote:

Ok guys I searched the forum and really can't find what I need to know.

I am looking to get a 4x or 6x scope for something like a 25-06 Handi Rifle, just a plain old truck gun, nothing special.

My scope budget is about $300

what would you rate as the best scopes under this dollar amount, in order from best to worst.

What I have been considering:  Weaver K4 or Leupold FX-II

thanks
..................................................................Could you be a little more specific as to what type of handy truck gun you`re going to get? What type of shooting distances? Game? That will better determine what scope to advise you on!............For a $300 budget or less, the 3x9 Elite 4200 is certainly the best choice. If going on a 25-06, the 3x9 would be a much better choice for longer range work as opposed to a fixed 4x or 6x......It all will depend on what your truck gun is and the caliber!    
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4x40 Nikon.  You should be able to see out of that one, and under 200 bucks. I mean good Lord, it's a handy rifle.  I could see maybe some extra money for the 6x36 Leupold, just because of the abuse it could get, but it would be hard to justify.
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Originally posted by jason miller jason miller wrote:

I just got on here to ask about 4x vs. 6x, and look what I found.  Anyone have any comments as to whether a 4 or 6 is better?  How much do you give up on range with the 4x?  How much close up field of view do you give up with the 6x?  One more thing, anyone have an opinion on old Weavers vs. old Leupolds? 
.........................................For a fixed power, your best all-around choice is going to be the 4x. The 4x has a better FOV should closer shots come about and offer enough magnification for the longer shots too............It is also necessary to point out that the difference in your range accuracy between a 4x vs a 6x is absolutely nill, meaning that there shouldn`t be a difference given the same range conditions. I can group shots equally as well on 4x as I do on 9x.................Make sure that you don`t under scope or over scope your rifle. A scope choice should reflect the caliber, the average distances and in which terrain for the most part you will be hunting in!! 
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Originally posted by cdchondas cdchondas wrote:

Ok guys I searched the forum and really can't find what I need to know.

I am looking to get a 4x or 6x scope for something like a 25-06 Handi Rifle, just a plain old truck gun, nothing special.

My scope budget is about $300

what would you rate as the best scopes under this dollar amount, in order from best to worst.

What I have been considering:  Weaver K4 or Leupold FX-II

thanks
..................................................................Could you be a little more specific as to what type of handy truck gun you`re going to get? What type of shooting distances? Game? That will better determine what scope to advise you on!............For a $300 budget or less, the 3x9 Elite 4200 is certainly the best choice. If going on a 25-06, the 3x9 would be a much better choice for longer range work as opposed to a fixed 4x or 6x......It all will depend on what your truck gun is and the caliber!    


uh its a Handi Rifle 25-06 http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Rifles/youth.aspx  not the heavy barrel or anything

But thanks for the answers guys, I think I am going with the 4X Weaver, should do what I need, If not I will put it on something else.
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Originally posted by cdchondas cdchondas wrote:

http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Rifles/youth.aspx
...........................................................Got it!!!.............An H&R!........If your caliber choice is the 25-06, I`d use a 2x7 variable. If your caliber choice is the 30/30 or the big stuff like the 45/70 or 500, I would strongly consider the V3 Weaver variable classic 1x3! The Weaver also has the 2x7 in the same variable classic line. These scopes have received great reviews from their owners who compare them well in clarity to VX2`s & Nikon Monarchs who have bought them for alot less money!............If your HR is just a good `ol truck gun, it would be advised at least IMO, to keep the price down, but at the same time NOT settling for a cheaper grade of scope. The Weaver`s price is very good for what you get. At their price points, the 'classic variables" are excellent! You would gain very little spending up to your limit of $300 on another scope! 
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Thanks alot, I will let you know how I make out on what I buy.
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Originally posted by jason miller jason miller wrote:

I just got on here to ask about 4x vs. 6x, and look what I found.  Anyone have any comments as to whether a 4 or 6 is better?  How much do you give up on range with the 4x?  How much close up field of view do you give up with the 6x?  One more thing, anyone have an opinion on old Weavers vs. old Leupolds? 
 
Well, I certainly do have an opinion about old Weavers and old Leupolds. I guess it all depends on How New the Weaver is....because the Leupold was the exact same scope from the mid fifties until about the year 2000, when they decided to "upgrade" their scopes by giving the public multi-coating on their lenses--FINALLY. ( Up till that time the only Multi-Coating you got with Leupold was with their Vari X III line --starting around 1981. ) [ We're talking Multi-Coating NOT "shellac-ing" which is what you got when you PAID for it!! Hee Hee.]
 
But back to Weaver....I much prefer that late 70s-early 80s Weaver K4-1 Micro Trac to the Leupold M8 4X scope of the same era---which was the same scope for forty some years anyhow....
 
The Leupold always cost more than Weavers. EVERYBODY cost more than Weavers. That's why Weaver OUTSOLD all the scope companies in America COMBINED, year in and year out, decade after decade, for fifty years!!! Redfield, Lyman, Unertl, Bausch and Lomb, even Bushnell's imported Scopechief, cost more than Weaver. Bushnell Banner was about the same price as a Weaver. Weaver was the Ford Pickup of Scope-dom. Leupold and the others were the Pontiac Grand Prix. We all thought that they MUST be better because they cost 30% more than Weaver. But everybody on the planet had Weavers on their rifles....because they WORKED, they put a bullet where the crosshairs were looking, and they handled recoil ( Jack O'Connor had a Weaver K2.5 on a 416 Rigby!!), they shed water, and did fine in the elements. Perhaps, ( most probably) the OPTICAL QUALITIES of the Higher Priced Scopes was superior to the Weaver...but the Weaver was a nice, clear scope nonetheless.
 
In the late seventies ( 1978) Weaver came out with the Micro Trac windage and elevation adjustment system--which some people consider to be one of the best adjustment systems ever invented. ( I have a suspicion that Sightron's Exact Trac is basically a copy of it...). Back in those days, most scopes( except a few European Brands) were all single coated with Magnesium Fluoride.  
 
Well, I owned a Leupold 4X M8 scope and a Weaver K4-1 Micro Trac model. I bought the Leupold in 1981 and I acquired the old Weaver 4X on a used gun in the ninties. I compared the two outside lots of time, side by side.
 
Now, I did NOT compare the two scopes in some kind of LABORATORY in the Swiss Alps like Dr. Frankenstein. I did not measure OPTICAL QUALITIES like chromatic aberation or resolution, etc. I simply LOOKED through them as a hunter would, in order to see which one was "better".  This is what I DISCOVERED!! Shocked
 
The Weaver 4X was "considerably" BRIGHTER than Leupold 4X. When the sun began to sink in the West, and the woods went dark and dim, the Leupold went DARK. Time to go home. The Weaver could still show me details--trees, leaves, brush, etc. for Yards and Yards into the woods. For a Long Time. Maybe 15 minutes!! Both were single coated with magnesium fluoride. Leupold cost TWICE as much as the Weaver.
 
The Weaver had a BIGGER MAGNIFICATION!! [ The BIGNESS TEST]  Objects in the scope were BIGGER in the Weaver than in the Leupold! ( BOTH 4X). I looked up the Weaver specs in an old 1975 Shooter's Bible and the Weaver page showed the ACTUAL MAGNIFICATION of the K4 as 4.1 X!! I do not know what Leupold's specs for 1981 were. I ASSUMED an actual 4X....but I began to get suspicious.  I mean, how MUCH BIGNESS is 0.1 power!??? Anyway, very interesting....Fenceposts, etc. were larger in the Weaver.
 
The Weaver had a wider field of view---by about 3 feet!! I measured it at 100 yards looking at a bob wire fence and measuring the distance between the poles on the ground. And beyond. The Weaver was a ROUND scope, not a WIDE scope. The Weaver was about 26 feet and the Leupold was like--23 feet. No Problem...I just noticed.
 
The DUPLEX TEST.  I preferred the Thicker Weaver Dual-X to the spindly Leupold duplex.
 
The Weaver had MICRO TRAC ( 1/4 click) adjustments and Leupold had friction, non-click adjustments. Now the Leupold adjustments worked FINE, no problem ever. But chalk one up for little ole Weaver!!
 
And last, AND certainly least, I liked the blue job on the old steel tube Weaver! It matched the blue on old pre 64 Winchesters! The Leupold, bless its pointed little head, looked like a simonized Buick LeSabre!
 
Both scopes always performed flawlessly!! I owned the Leupold for 22 years!! BUT I STILL HAVE THAT WEAVER!! The Leupold was lighter. The Weaver weighed a whopping 13 oz!! That's OK.
 
I prefer the older El Paso Weavers....at least in Fixed Power....to Leupold. ( But there is nothing WRONG with Leupold!)
 
I've shot deer at maybe 225 yards with a 4X scope....(The Leupold I was just talking about.) These days I have a 6X on my deer rifle ( A Weaver K6-1)---I'm getting older!!  HA!  Smile     --Ed
 
 
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The Weaver is a solid choice and it is fully muti-coated. It should be very durable and give excellent service. http://www.swfa.com/pc-5163-860-weaver-4x38-classic-k4-series-rifle-scope.aspx
If you can step up to $379 the Zeiss would give you an excellent 4x, also. http://www.swfa.com/pc-6693-259-zeiss-4x32-conquest-rifle-scope.aspx
I would take the 4x over the 6x for versatility, also. It has more FOV for close in and is plenty for 400 yd shots.
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and this is what I ordered.

http://www.swfa.com/pc-1852-220-nikon-4x40-buckmaster-riflescope.aspx

would really like to try the weaver though!
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For a small and light gun, go with a small and light scope.

A fixed magnification 4x scope is probably your best bet.  I am not a big fan of Leupold but their FX-2 4x33 is a decent scope.  However, there are other choices that offer more for the money.  In order of ascending price:

Weaver K4 4x38
Burris Timberline 4x20
Nikon Buckmaster 4x40
Sightron S2 4x32
Burris Short Mag 4x20
Leupold FX-2 4x33
IOR Hunting 4x32
Zeiss Conquest 4x32

I am a bit leery of current Weaver products since Weaver has been going through changes that I am not very happy with.

Personally, I am partial to Sightron and IOR.  In terms of bang for the buck, Sightron is the best scope in this list by a good margin.  If you ar elooking for something a little higher end and are OK with a steel tube, IOR is a very good choice, especially coupled with a #4 reticle.

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Howdy, Koshkin,    I am not familiar at all with the Japanese Weavers of the past twenty years. I always understood that they were pretty good scopes. Have you noticed any "funny business" going on with their current K and V series that you don't like? Like, is the quality going down, or are you just concerned about Meade in general?  I sure hope Weaver remains a good scope.          --Ed

 

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Weaver is now owned by Meade, and I know they have been reshuffling factories.  Pre-Meade Weavers were a very nice value.  I have seen a couple of Grand Slams made by Weaver after the Meade purchased and the glass is clearly different.  The scopes were still marked as made in Japan, but I am pretty confident that the glass was not.  While bright, it suffered from a common problem with Chinese glass: white-out.

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ILya,

Can you explain "white out"?
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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

ILya,

Can you explain "white out"?


For the Grand Slams in question the picture looked bright, but not very clear.  Everything looked a touch too white and resolution was subpar.

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 I have a steel-tubed Weaver K6 that a friend gave me a couple years ago. I don't know where or when it was made. I put it on a .22 and did a little small-game hunting with it, but soon swapped it out for a 2-7x Vari-X II, which is vastly better optically.  I know exactly what Koshkin means by "white-out" , which is why the Weaver's setting on a closet shelf.


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