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We will take a look at Miss Stephanie's question from a differant direction.

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You have just opened Funsite Ranch, the best place to train east of the Pecos.  After years of working for Blast'em  Bobs you have startered your own company. You are ready for your first client.

 

In working your marketing plan you have contacted Maddie Yates, Senior editor of Women's Firearms magazine.  She, normally does not take calls like this, but... Her sorority sister's daughter has a problem.  Your operation is about fifty miles away from her freinds daughter Nancy's home.  A long drive, but no motel cost.      

 

Here is the deal... Nancy has thousand dollars left on a credit card.  She needs to be Turn Key at the end of the training.  There is a three day weekend coming up.  Maddie Yates said that she will fly in for the finally day of training to do a write up. You said "Great don't book to early a return flight because she will be hitting pop cans THAT NIGHT!" 

 

What were you thinking bro... this could make or break, your new business.  You can make money off the gun, the ammo, your time, the range time, ect. BUT you have to keep it under the thousand.     

 

Ok, guys how now do you solve this problem?   Start getting the head cleaned up, 'cause they are both coming.

 

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Start with a daisey bb gun get the shooter to watch the bb as it leaves the barrel. Have the shooter swing the gun and watch the bb in its 2 vector path. Don't use those words. Allow play time for 10 to 15 mins. stop. Have her explain what happened. If she is comfy move to a 10/22 with a red dot. Probably about lunch time. Don't eat heavy. Go to J frame smith or Diamondback in 22 LR. In single action start with cocked, have her push gun to arms length moving her sight picture back to the front site. After missing for the first several cylinders show her what a sight picture is. Start again can close, if she hits, start moving can out to 10 yds. Make everything positive. Speed comes with smoothness. Above all instill the concept that nothing done is complicated, one step follows the other.
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Mister Clifford,

 

Very good so far! 

 

I have your expences at: Bulk pack of .22 ~15 dollars, Minimun range time 30 dollars, Labor Minimun 30 dollars or 75 dollars for the first half day.

 

You have 2.5 days left and 925 dollars. She still needs a gun, center fire ammo (including some to take home), light, carrying system and misc like shooting glasses and cleaning kit. 

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No the 22's were 9.80 a brick , got Costco discount card, and buy on volume, Range rate reduced under contract with owner on multiple use rate, NRA discount, and the guy is your brother in law (just kidding). ONly spent $62.30.

But onward--afternoon. Not many people can hold their arms out in front of them for extended periods of time, especially with a gun, and squeezing palms together. This afternoon is all theory, know that the client has a relative frame of reference. O$ range time 0% shooting costs. Afternoon spent covering why a site picture, regardless of location of weapon, presentation is the same- only have to learn one method=-that works for everything. Cover the "clock"----all targets are the same size 8" by 11" the only thing that varies is how long it takes to shoot it because of ---distance---  3 hours max. Shes hoping you will shut up soon.  Have client read the phamplet you have prepared for them on topics. Decide on time and place for tommorrow with all the suggestions about practicing at home. Need to hurry down to the local printer and pick up the glossies you need for Ms. Yates. These contain the theory of why you have a different product for sale. BB gun etc. --one on one etc. Mental note.  Also you need to pick up a glock 19, S&W mod 10, and of course the Airweight you carry, from home for tommorrow.



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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

No the 22's were 9.80 a brick , got Costco discount card, and buy on volume, Range rate reduced under contract with owner on multiple use rate, NRA discount, and the guy is your brother in law (just kidding). ONly spent $62.30.

 

Note 1) 

 

But onward--afternoon. Not many people can hold their arms out in front of them for extended periods of time, especially with a gun, and squeezing palms together. This afternoon is all theory, know that the client has a relative frame of reference. O$ range time 0% shooting costs.

 

Note 2)

 

Afternoon spent covering why a site picture, regardless of location of weapon, presentation is the same- only have to learn one method=-that works for everything. Cover the "clock"----all targets are the same size 8" by 11" the only thing that varies is how long it takes to shoot it because of ---distance---  3 hours max. Shes hoping you will shut up soon.  Have client read the phamplet you have prepared for them on topics. Decide on time and place for tommorrow with all the suggestions about practicing at home.

 

Note 3)

 Need to hurry down to the local printer and pick up the glossies you need for Ms. Yates.

 

Note 4)

 

 These contain the theory of why you have a different product for sale. BB gun etc. --one on one etc. Mental note.  Also you need to pick up a glock 19, S&W mod 10, and of course the Airweight you carry, from home for tommorrow.

 

Note 5)

 

Note 1) YOU are the range owner so you can set your own rates.  I did not low ball the area too much so that you can cover unseen cost.

 

Note2) I figured a day rate so that afternoon range time would have been covered. 

 

Note3) You are most correct about fatigue, however you have a time limit that would push to much presure on the next day. I figured a long lunch and some introductional information.  She needs to be introduced to HER gun on the first day.  A few rounds and dryfire out. She needs to be able to take her gun home and start getting used to it.

 

Note 4) It's 2007, you burn Ms. Yates a CD.

 

Note 5) Prep for tommorow +1 remember you have a night shoot

 

BTW, what happend to all the .357 magnum guys?



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Invite her to the nite shoot. by the way which nite, failed to mention. Hope she has time to watch a DVD (CD?) I don't. Don't like to make their gun, their gun, too soon. Puts to much emphasize on THE GUN and not person.

2nd day Variable gun introduction, she likes the Airweight the most, but probably not a good choice.

Client is med. statue about 5' . med wt. shorter than normal arms for that ht, and wt, and very short fingers. wears little jewelry, no high maintence fingernails. Carries a big city purse, wears heels to boost height, is well read and talks in comlete sentances. Focuses well and has had martial arts training, especially in distancing. Has strong forarms from being on the tennis team. Client takes seizure medications. Stress may precipitate a seizure either in practice session or stress enviornment. Instill control of envoirnment. Use here mental concept of follow on forhand strokes familize to push thru on shooting stroke nothing different here.

Have client load the Mod. 10 , unload load, maybe 10 times, noting if she grips with a left hand over or down the side.

same with glock, load magazines, unload, Client has high manual dexterity put lacks patience for mag. loading. (stress)

Afternoon Client decides on revolver from preceived simpilicity. Show her the concept of "stacking the double action" and holding the release until the last final re-alignment. (knowing full well it takes many many rds.)

Proceed to range where several IPSC targets (old type) have been set and explain vital zones and need for multiple hits. Illustrate from example-no fancy holsters or other devices. Preferably with gun on a table.

 

 

Alternate scenario: come on guys jump in, chicks dad taught her how to shoot, must re-train

chick very good, shoots Olympic trap, wants to know were your 454 Casull is .

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Silver says:   "BTW, what happend to all the .357 magnum guys?"

 

This forum works best when we share knowledge based on our own actual experience.  Not when we try to win arguments that can go on forever.  There are lots of good guns that will work.  Your choices may not be my choices, but that's okay.  As long as the guns are in the hands of the good guys (and gals) we all win.

 

My daughter shoots the center out of targets with her Smith Model 66 .357 (her choice of weapons).

 

My wife is in love with her Ruger .22 automatic, but uses a Kel-tec .32 for carry and a Glock .40 for home defense.

 

Revolvers and autos both have their uses, and I use both.

 

This is your thread.  Have fun with it.  


 

 

 



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Originally posted by Longhunter Longhunter wrote:

Silver says:   "BTW, what happend to all the .357 magnum guys?"

 

This forum works best when we share knowledge based on our own actual experience.  Not when we try to win arguments that can go on forever.  There are lots of good guns that will work.  Your choices may not be my choices, but that's okay.  As long as the guns are in the hands of the good guys (and gals) we all win.

 

My daughter shoots the center out of targets with her Smith Model 66 .357 (her choice of weapons).

 

My wife is in love with her Ruger .22 automatic, but uses a Kel-tec .32 for carry and a Glock .40 for home defense.

 

Revolvers and autos both have their uses, and I use both.

 

This is your thread.  Have fun with it.  


 

 

 

 

This is based years of experince and thousand of my personal dollars.  The time and money was spent on firearms, ammuntion, holsters, and training.

 

If your daughter is shooting the center out of the target then she maybe shooting too slow.  What sort of time frame is she under?

 

Having your wife use the Ruger .22 is a great idea!  If more people would take that step they would save hundred of dollars an weeks of time in the longrun.  It's like getting a free gun.

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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

 

Alternate scenario: come on guys jump in, chicks dad taught her how to shoot, must re-train

chick very good, shoots Olympic trap, wants to know were your 454 Casull is .

 

That's my "Niece" the law student.  Went on Safari with her bio-dad the doctor in order to croc shoes, purse and brief case that matched.  Her personal ad is: Petite SWF, Christian,  MBA/Law student, Likes to hunt, shot, fish and Jeep.  NS, social drinkers Ok, Send best buck pictures, audited tax returns last three years and resume. 

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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

Invite her to the nite shoot. by the way which nite, failed to mention. Hope she has time to watch a DVD (CD?)  

 

Three day class... with a "final" that's on you the third day.  Night shoot second night That way you she can pass the final which also has a night shoot. 

 

On the second day you wind up with repeating a combo close, medium and "far" shots.  You start with dry fire, then you use the .22 and then the personal gun.  Then repeat to cut back on the stress.  You need to raise the stress slowly and then back it down.  Then you pick up the speed and do the same thing.   She should be hitting the pop can at ten yard in broad daylight at a slow but reasonable pace.

 

If you are using a pact timer then you should be able to cut a couple of hours off of the training time.  Ken Tapp teaches this way and it works rather well. 

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Send audited tax returns Thats funny.
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

Send audited tax returns Thats funny.

 

 

 She wants to do a post doc in tax law... Great legs.. was a lobbist for the NRA

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