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hey now.

i got a pair of redfield rebel binos that are roof prism and im very happy with them. i want a pair of real nice porro prisms. i dont know i just find them so much easier to focus in between ranges. i find them more comfortable too.

i love the leupold yosemite. but will never committ to buying something without checking whatelse is out there.
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no more than 8x
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Hi,
Welcome to the world of porro lovers. They still offer the best binocular performance around, at least imo.
For your question,  remember that the size of the glass matters as well. A small 8x25 is a much different tool from a 7x50.
Once you specify your needs, it is easier to lay out some alternatives.
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hey now.

thanks for the warm welcome to the porro world. for starters its mostly gonna be used for predator hunting. i want something that is tough enough to handle the trek through the woods (i hunt on public land...it is what it is) but is also light enough so when im walking im not walking with my head leaned foward.
 
heres what im looking for:
-bad weather performance. snow, fog, rain, etc. i need optimal performance in this category. in central ny where i hunt it can be snowing and a little below freezing at 7am, but it can be 45 degrees by noon. that makes for a lot of rain of snow and hazy conditions.
 
-low light performance for hunting well into dusk and use when having one of those green or red lights at night (not so much a flood or spot light, more of a laser or beam of light).
 
-rugged design...i dont mind spending money on these things, im trying to stay at the $200-$250 range.
 
-good fov and power for scouting out to 200-250 yards at most
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Built like a tank and excellent waterproof/fogproof, as well as low light capability, I recommend the discontinued Minox BD 8x44 BP Porro, (24 oz.) still listed on the internet via Google, etc.
 
 
For ruggedness and waterproof/fogproof, as well as the best price, I would recommend the Pentax PCF WP II 8x40. (28 oz.)
 
 
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Minox or Fujinon.
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Fujinon BFL 8x42 Porro prism, with center focus, would be in your price range, but, it is also discontinued.
 
Leupold Cascades 8x42 Internal Focus Porro prism, also discontinued.
 
Vortex Porro ?
 
 
Leupold Rogue ? (30 oz.)
 
 


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what about steiner predator pros or sightron s2's?
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Hi outlawskinnyd,
You laid out a very clear set of priorities.
You want a rugged set of all weather hunting glasses that will work well into the twilight, with a budget around $300..
Imo, you are the ideal candidate for a set of milspec surplus glasses, an old 7x50 IF such as an M22. You would want a Fujinon,
they are really solid glasses, with desiccant cartridges built in.
An alternative, which would be harder to get , is an old Zeiss Jena 7x40 Checkpoint Charlie glass, not just bullet but also radiation proof, with spendiferous eye relief and a tab to attach it to your shirt so that it does not bang around while crawling through the bush. Do note that you can buy the BinoManager for $10 from Coleman's to do the same thing more conveniently.
I have no opinion on Steiner, but it seems to me material that both the German as well as the US armies bought Steiner glasses and then rejected them.

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Originally posted by etudiant etudiant wrote:

Hi outlawskinnyd,
You laid out a very clear set of priorities.
You want a rugged set of all weather hunting glasses that will work well into the twilight, with a budget around $300..
Imo, you are the ideal candidate for a set of milspec surplus glasses, an old 7x50 IF such as an M22. You would want a Fujinon,
they are really solid glasses, with desiccant cartridges built in.
An alternative, which would be harder to get , is an old Zeiss Jena 7x40 Checkpoint Charlie glass, not just bullet but also radiation proof, with spendiferous eye relief and a tab to attach it to your shirt so that it does not bang around while crawling through the bush. Do note that you can buy the BinoManager for $10 from Coleman's to do the same thing more conveniently.
I have no opinion on Steiner, but it seems to me material that both the German as well as the US armies bought Steiner glasses and then rejected them.

Outlaw:
I would stay away from any of the old military optics mentioned here.  Coatings and all the rest are outdated.   Over 50 yrs. old, probably due for a cleaniing, etc.  Min. cost to bring back is over $100.00.
 
Steiner bins are rugged, rubber armored, and they have a large selection of porros.  I had a 10x50
Nighthunter, and they are excellent low light.
Also you can buy these new and demo from SWFA.
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I just recently purchase the Yosemite's in 6X30, and absolutely love them. Low light, cold weather, Fog hasn't been an issue whatsoever, plus they are under 80 from SWFA Big Grin. Those would be my recommendation.
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Check out the NIkon 7-15X35.
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Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

Check out the NIkon 7-15X35.

I disagree.  Strongly.

I would have a hard time thinking of a binocular less suitable to your requirements.

Try one of the following:

Swift Audubon 8.5x44
Fujinon FMTR-SX 7x50 "Polaris"
Minox BD 8x44 BP (discontinued).

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koshkin,
 
I'm not suprised you disagree with me.  We got off to a bad start and you look for anytlhing I do so you can disagree.
 
When I bought the 7-15X35 Nikons I went to the binocular store and started with the most expensive they had.  They cost $1000.  I took two different brands outside the store and compared them.  I asked the clerk to take the one I least prefered bach in and bring me another.  He did this until he brought the 7-15X.  I could hardly believe how nice something costing $165 could be better for my eyes than something costing about six times more.  None of the lower priced items were as nice.
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Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

koshkin,
 
I'm not suprised you disagree with me.  We got off to a bad start and you look for anytlhing I do so you can disagree.
 
When I bought the 7-15X35 Nikons I went to the binocular store and started with the most expensive they had.  They cost $1000.  I took two different brands outside the store and compared them.  I asked the clerk to take the one I least prefered bach in and bring me another.  He did this until he brought the 7-15X.  I could hardly believe how nice something costing $165 could be better for my eyes than something costing about six times more.  None of the lower priced items were as nice.
 




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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

Check out the NIkon 7-15X35.

I disagree.  Strongly.

I would have a hard time thinking of a binocular less suitable to your requirements.

Try one of the following:

Swift Audubon 8.5x44
Fujinon FMTR-SX 7x50 "Polaris"
Minox BD 8x44 BP (discontinued).

ILya
 
Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

When I put the Nikon on 15X I noticed the field of view shrank to about 60% of the Minox.
 
Just another good reason to avoid the zoom binoculars. Thumbs Down
 
 


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I strongly agree with Koshkin. 
 
Just be prepared to hear all sorts of repetitive nonsense about the Nikon 7-15x35 zoom "alleged" binoculars.  This guy won't stop.
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There is a reason why not many zoom binoculars are available.
 
There is a reason that we refuse to take them on trade.
 
There is a reason why Leica and Leupold made dual power binoculars instead of zoom.
 
Claiming the Nikon 7-15's are better than a $1,000.00 pair of binoculars is like claiming a tasco World Class is better than a Swarovski Pro-Hunter.
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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

There is a reason why not many zoom binoculars are available.
 
There is a reason that we refuse to take them on trade.
 
There is a reason why Leica and Leupold made dual power binoculars instead of zoom.
 
Claiming the Nikon 7-15's are better than a $1,000.00 pair of binoculars is like claiming a tasco World Class is better than a Swarovski Pro-Hunter.
 
Just wait for that last one Chris!  He's done it before.
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Topic: favorite porro binos?

“There is a reason why not many zoom binoculars are available.

 

There is a reason that we refuse to take them on trade.

 

There is a reason why Leica and Leupold made dual power binoculars instead of zoom.

 

Claiming the Nikon 7-15's are better than a $1,000.00 pair of binoculars is like claiming a tasco World Class is better than a Swarovski Pro-Hunter.”

 
I gues you didn't get the title of this thread.  I posted it again at the top of this post for a reminder.   Glad I could help.
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Rich, I most certainly do not follow you around to argue with you (I would be overjoyed if I never had to argue with you again, but I can't simply ignore you benignly asinine attempts to mislead people).  I assure you that there is nothing personal in my disagreement with you.

I meant exactly what I said: I strongly disagree with your recommendation.  You most certainly have a right to recommend whatever bino rocks your boat right now, just like I have the right to think that the binocular you recommended is one of the worst optical instruments I have ever seen with a Nikon log (and the competition there is pretty stiff).

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koshkin,
 
"I would be overjoyed if I never had to argue with you again.."
 
You don't have to.  The thread is about one's favorite binocular.  The original poster can do the same thing I did:  Go to the store and compare until he finds what is the best for his eyes.  Taht includes comparing fixed binocuars with varibles.
 
I own a 13X56 Minox.  For rock chuck hunting it is much better than the 7-15X35 Nikon.  For walking around in the woods I purchased a 6.5X32 Vortex Raptor before last hunting season.  It is lighter than the Nikon.  The Nikon has to be on about 7 1/4X to be able to make out the same detail as I can with the Raptor; but it has 7 1/4X available so I am not limited.   In order to see the same detail as the 13X Minox the Nikon has to be on 15X; but it has 15X available.
 
After using the Raptor for the whole season I switched back to the Nikon for next year.  There were times when I had to put the rifle scope on what I thought was a game animal and turned it up above 6.5X only to discover it was a deer shaped bush or stump or shadow.
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Rich, please note that aside from the title of the thread, in the fifth post IN the thread (you did read it right?), the original poster offered more details on what he is looking for.  Had it been only about a "favourite porro binocular", I assure you I would avoid wading into the bizarre world of your optics choices like the plague.

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