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Hi, I was wondering whether anyone has an idea of what is going on with Kahles these days. I know they make phenomenal scopes and as I'm in the market for a new high end scope I am seriously considering something by Kahles. However, I've heard that things are relatively chaotic at the moment under their new management-does anyone know how the future looks for this company...I'm not going to spend all that money on a scope only to have nowhere to turn in the event that something malfunctions am I?
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I would get a Swaro or Zeiss.  With those two you at least don't have to worry about that and you still get an amazing scope.
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Yeah, that was my original idea anyway, but then I found a couple of Kahles scopes on SWFA that would fit the bill perfectly for my set up and there A LOT cheaper than the comparable SWARO and Zeiss stuff. I mean, Kahles is the oldest scope manufacturer in the world if I'm not mistaken, its hard to believe that their just gunna disappear one day and I wouldn't be able to get warranty work done or something...then again its not something I'm eager to gamble on.
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I contacted Kahles in Vienna and I'm still waiting for a reply. I also contacted their importer, Legacy Sports, and they knew of no problems (closing, for sale, etc.) with Kahles.
If you are looking at a C model you are looking at a mechanically and optically excellent scope.
 
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I bought a Kahles this past winter/spring and I'm not sweating what's going to happen.   I mean, I'm pretty sure I will be able to find someone who could work on it, maybe even Swaro.  I didn't buy it because of the warranty, I bought it for its glass!

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+1 on Tips69.  I am hoping the unstability will depress the market on the Kahles so I can get another.
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Yeah, I'll probably end up going with the Kahles regardless because they are just such phenomenal optics...I'm planning on mounting it atop a newly purchased Sako 75 in .270. Any suggestions on mounts someone once told me that Sako's can be tricky/expensive to mount a scope on...?
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I really like Warne, but make sure you get the right Sako rings!
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Originally posted by mlv2k5 mlv2k5 wrote:

Hi,......I am seriously considering something by Kahles. However, I've heard that things are relatively chaotic at the moment under their new management-does anyone know how the future looks for this company... ?
 
Never fear our government is NOW taking care of the GLOBAL Credit Crisis and will bail out Kahles momentarily.
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Unfortunately, I don't think Kahles problems are financial, I think its more a case of the "pretty" stepchild!
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I mounted a Kahles CL using Talley rings.  The rifle is a light weight 270 WSM that shakes things a little.  After several trips to the range, everything is rock solid.

I got the scope from the SWFA sample list.  It's a 4-12X52 and the glass is spectacular.  I'm looking foward to open country hunting with it in MT.
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Which Talley rings did you use?
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Originally posted by mlv2k5 mlv2k5 wrote:

Yeah, I'll probably end up going with the Kahles regardless because they are just such phenomenal optics...I'm planning on mounting it atop a newly purchased Sako 75 in .270. Any suggestions on mounts someone once told me that Sako's can be tricky/expensive to mount a scope on...?
 
Here's my Sako 75 with Talley rings.  Of the rings available for Sako I've seen, so far, I like the Talleys best.
 
As for Kahles, on the one hand, their future service does concern me and I'm not impressed by what I'm hearing about Legacy Sports and their lack of knowledge about these scopes.  On the other hand, you can get some incredibly good deals on Kahles scopes right now, and they are excellent optics.  I've been extremely happy with mine!  I would tend to gamble and buy one because of the money you save.  My opinion is largely influenced by the fact I've only had one scope in my life that failed due to manufacturing defects, and that was 26 years ago, so I have a high degree of confidence in your odds of getting a good one that never needs servicing.
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Investing in great customer service doesn't always have to involve mechanical failure.
 
I tend to do crazy stuff like send a 15+ year old pair of Swaro bino's back for a check up then getting them back with the updated exterior armor, eye cups, etc. for free two weeks later. That was unexpected!! Dropping my gun while hunting, badly scratching up one of the caps, calling SONA and being sent two new ones for free. I bought a z6 and the manual said a lens shade was included with the scope purchase. I called SONA asking where my lens shade was and was told it was a misprint, that it was for the PH series and not the z6 series. SONA immediatly stepped up to the plate again shipping a new lens shade to me for free. Having a reticle change and again getting the scope back within less than two weeks.

Leupold is the same way if you need a screw for you rings or bases, etc. but I'm sold on the Euro glass.

Kahles, excellent product, probably will never break down in two life times but from what I'm reading, if you need anything beyond the original purchase I don't see immediate help from Kahles/Lagacy Sports any time soon.
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All good, valid points, Mike.  I guess what I'm saying is that just like when buying an excellent discontinued or vintage optic, sometimes the money you save makes up for lack of service so that you still get a good deal for what you spent.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

All good, valid points, Mike.  I guess what I'm saying is that just like when buying an excellent discontinued or vintage optic, sometimes the money you save makes up for lack of service so that you still get a good deal for what you spent.


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I love my Multizero Kahles.  WHatever happens, i am sure someone will handle the service maybe even Swaro.
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My take on Kahles is that for now I stopped recommending Kahles to others due to the uncertainties of the warranty service.  Personally, I'll probably pick-up a couple more Kahles scopes since I like them and the deals are very good while warraty service is not a deal breaker for me.

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I love my 3-10x50 CL Multizero with the 4a reticle
stellar scope, much better resolution than my Conquest 4.5-14
mounted on my Sako 85 Finlight 270


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I just read this entire thread. Very interesting. I have a Kahles 3x12 & its a phenominal scope.
 
Beretta seems like has bought the entire world. Hopefully Beretta will look into buying Kahles, they bought Steiner.
 
It would be a shame for Kahles to go under.
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I actually prefer ATK to buy them, they have been doing a great job with there acquisitions.
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