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Falcon 10x42 VS Super Sniper 10x42- Which is a better quality scope seeing as they are both about the same Price and the same power. Ive heard good things about both but cant decide on which to get for a new 30-06 project. Whacko

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Thanks Big%20Smile, Ive just recently discovered this site, been on Snipercentral.com 24/7 Big%20Grin
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Originally posted by Usmc_S/S91 Usmc_S/S91 wrote:

Thanks Big%20Smile, Ive just recently discovered this site, been on Snipercentral.com 24/7 Big%20Grin
 
Glad your here. SC is a great site.
 
We are partial to Super Snipers over here.....Wink 
 
EDIT TO ADD:
I haven't seen a Falcon scope.


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Falcon will be a Brit import marketed by Sniper Central and Super Sniper by SWFA.  It would be interesting to see an unbiased comparison.  I'll bet it will be too close to call.
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Anybody over at Sniper Central, or elsewhere, tried Falcon's CS dept yet??  
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when falcon has the track record in real world use it might be possible to compare the two until then-- ss all the way
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

when falcon has the track record in real world use it might be possible to compare the two until then-- ss all the way
 
There is something to be said about the Super Sniper haveing been PROVEN ---- TESTED IN COMBAT---PROVEN RELIABLE.   Sorry, but you couldnt sell me a falcon.Poker
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ss and aimpoint have a 1000 lab technicians that try to break their product every day (military)
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So far, Falcon's CS from Robert Snyder (from has been a pleasant yet painful experience.
 
Last year, I bought the merlin model, and put it on my 300 win mag, sadly one of the optics came loose on the first shot. I sent an email to Rob, and it was replaced with a new scope for free.
And... unfortunately, the replacement scope is also faulty, the crosshair is crooked and so this is going back too.
The good thing is that, Rob stands behind his product with a no-question ask policy so far! Decent man!
 
As far as clicks and optics clarity, they are great for the money. Hopefully I am getting a good replacement this time, or I will just move on with IOR or NF. Btw, Bushnell 6500s look very attractive!
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Sorry to hear.


On a brighter note, the SuperSniper is a great scope!  And still available for purchase.
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about 1.5-2 years back, i bought a falcon menace 10X42 1/4MOA MP20 to try out against a SS. bought it from mel, they day he got the first shipment in, falcon was almost unheard of at the time.
 
got it, and started comparing directly with the SS10X42, and SS10X42M. glass was similar to that of the rear focus SS, and a little brighter than the side focus model. and i personally liked the knobs better, but the SS knobs were much more audible, and could feel the clicks better.
 
never really got to try to torture test it as the second time to the range to do the box test the elevation turret came off in my hand when i was running it. returned it to mel, had a new one in 2 weeks, and ebayed it. once a scope fails for me, i give it no second chances.
 
not to mention all the other falcons that have been failing lately, the objectives seem to like to fall off the variable models.
 
IMO a SS is the only "tactical" scope under about $1500 i would buy, besides maybe a bushnell 4200 6-24. all my SS's keep on ticking, the one S10X42 i used in that comparison, ive had for about 6 years and has been on more rifles that most people own in their life time.
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     The Super Sniper was issued a National Stock Number, that speaks louder than any written hype! The falcon products look like decent scopes. I was researching them just a few hours ago as I am planning on purchasing a super sniper in the next few days myself and wanted to check the competition. After reading about both scope as I came to the conclusion that in the Super Snipers price range there is no actual competition! Nothing else is close to it in terms of the overall package in this price range (arguably, nothing is close until you spend at least  double the price!) . Take into account optical quality, quality of materials, quality of construction, range of adjustment, repeatability, durability, proven track records, etc....

 

     I would take the super sniper (side or rear focus) over a falcon any day! The super sniper is the real deal! It seems there are countless tactical scopes on the market today; how many can lay claim to actually being issued a contract by any military that is part of NATO? Not many, and even less can say they were issued a contract by the greatest and most advanced military on the face of the earth!

 

     The choice is a no brainer in my opinion. And the Flacon, it uses Japanese glass, but the majority of the components come from China.

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Good stuff, Gentlemen. Thank you all.
 
So few products live up to their claims these days. 
For me at least, the Super Sniper not only lives up to the hype, it exceeds it. 
Why bother picking up a SS "clone", when you can have the real deal? 
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Originally posted by redneckbmxer24 redneckbmxer24 wrote:

not to mention all the other falcons that have been failing lately, the objectives seem to like to fall off the variable models.

Not all of them.  The 4-14 uses a one piece tube and has never had this problem.  Actually very few problems of any sort have been reported with that model.  I don't think I'd recommend the two piece models for rough use, but the 4-14 is a different story.

Anyway, it's no S&B, but I'm quite happy with mine so far--considering the price paid I'm overjoyed with it.  When the next scope up that offers the similar features is a $1500 IOR, it's hard not to be.  It gives my little 7-08 hits out to 1100 yds and back again with ease.  Not quite as "nice" as scopes costing 5-10 times as much, but everything works.  Controls/operation/units are all the same as your $3000 "real" tactical scopes so it makes an outstanding trainer.
Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Why bother picking up a SS "clone", when you can have the real deal? 

If this is a SS "clone" please tell me where I can buy the real thing.  A variable, FFP GenII copy reticle, sidefocus, .1 Mil clicks...sort of hard to call that a SS "clone" until there's a SS made with those features.  Trust me, if such a SS was made I'd be all over it.
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Mr. A, I was referring to redneckbmxer's 10x42mm Falcon as a SS clone, not the......"variable, FFP GenII copy reticle, sidefocus, .1 Mil clicks" model you mentioned, or any other variable, FFP Gen II copy reticle, sidefocus, .Mil clicks scopes...that obviously wouldn't be like the Super Sniper out there either. 
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The Falcon is made in China?  That says it all right there.

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Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Originally posted by redneckbmxer24 redneckbmxer24 wrote:

not to mention all the other falcons that have been failing lately, the objectives seem to like to fall off the variable models.

Not all of them.  The 4-14 uses a one piece tube and has never had this problem.  Actually very few problems of any sort have been reported with that model.  I don't think I'd recommend the two piece models for rough use, but the 4-14 is a different story.

Anyway, it's no S&B, but I'm quite happy with mine so far--considering the price paid I'm overjoyed with it.  When the next scope up that offers the similar features is a $1500 IOR, it's hard not to be.  It gives my little 7-08 hits out to 1100 yds and back again with ease.  Not quite as "nice" as scopes costing 5-10 times as much, but everything works.  Controls/operation/units are all the same as your $3000 "real" tactical scopes so it makes an outstanding trainer.
Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Why bother picking up a SS "clone", when you can have the real deal? 

If this is a SS "clone" please tell me where I can buy the real thing.  A variable, FFP GenII copy reticle, sidefocus, .1 Mil clicks...sort of hard to call that a SS "clone" until there's a SS made with those features.  Trust me, if such a SS was made I'd be all over it.
 
so your comparing your peice of crap chinese made toilet paper roll with some lenses in it to a $3000 "real tactical scope" assuming your talking about S&B, and USO... LOL thats just too funny.
 
if falcon even BEGAN to compare to S&B, or USO, then S&B, and USO would be out of business.
 
you buy a $300 chinese scope, and you will get just that. you buy a $3000 german, or US made scope, and you will get just that.
 
mention your scope is a decent scope, but DONT act like you have a S&B.
 
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Originally posted by Skunk Skunk wrote:

The Falcon is made in China?  That says it all right there.



Well the glass is made in Japan.
The body and all the sub-assembly parts are made in China.
The scope is said to have the final assembly in England.

I don't know how much assembly takes place at the location in England.
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Originally posted by redneckbmxer24 redneckbmxer24 wrote:

so your comparing your peice of crap chinese made toilet paper roll with some lenses in it to a $3000 "real tactical scope" assuming your talking about S&B, and USO... LOL thats just too funny.

Which part of:
Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Controls/operation/units are all the same as your $3000 "real" tactical scopes so it makes an outstanding trainer.

did you not understand?
Quote but DONT act like you have a S&B.

But I do.  Why can't I act like it?



Since I don't use them to make my living or keep me alive, not all of my rifles get $3000 allocated to them for optics.  More affordable, functional scopes with the correct features are a nice choice to have for the correct application.
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i understood it perfectly, and the only thing they have the same as a S&B is the .1mrad adjustment offering, and mildot offering. there is nothing else the same. one is a $300 scope that adjustments feel like crap, dont track as good, or operate as good. the other is a $3000 scope that functions great.

i too have lesser priced scopes than my S&B's, since i dont have the coin to scope every rifle like that either, but know better to even start to compare them in any way to my S&B's, or USO's.

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Originally posted by redneckbmxer24 redneckbmxer24 wrote:

i understood it perfectly,

I don't think you did or you wouldn't be having this argument with yourself. 
Quote to even start to compare them in any way to my S&B's, or USO's.

And neither did I.  You've made that up and put it into my mouth because you felt like having an argument.  Maybe you had a slow day.

How could this be any more clear?
Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Anyway, it's no S&B....

Now you're arguing with me, telling me I'm wrong, telling me it's no S&B.  Gee, thanks.    Excellent

But since I like keeping the facts straight,
Quote the only thing they have the same as a S&B is the .1mrad adjustment offering, and mildot offering. there is nothing else the same.

Maybe it's the fact you haven't actually used the scope, but this is simply false.  I can explain in detail if you like.

If this scope really has "nothing else the same," please tell me what does?  I really like these features on scopes, so please, please, please tell me where I can get one that is more "the same" for less than about $2500?  If there are some out there I don't know about, clue me in.
Quote dont track as good, or operate as good.

I'm just curious, since you didn't have yours mounted on a rifle for more than two trips to the range, exactly how do you know how well they track and "operate?"


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Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Originally posted by redneckbmxer24 redneckbmxer24 wrote:

i understood it perfectly,

I don't think you did or you wouldn't be having this argument with yourself. 
Quote to even start to compare them in any way to my S&B's, or USO's.

And neither did I.  You've made that up and put it into my mouth because you felt like having an argument.  Maybe you had a slow day.

How could this be any more clear?
Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Anyway, it's no S&B....

Now you're arguing with me, telling me I'm wrong, telling me it's no S&B.  Gee, thanks.    Excellent

But since I like keeping the facts straight,
Quote the only thing they have the same as a S&B is the .1mrad adjustment offering, and mildot offering. there is nothing else the same.

Maybe it's the fact you haven't actually used the scope, but this is simply false.  I can explain in detail if you like.

If this scope really has "nothing else the same," please tell me what does?  I really like these features on scopes, so please, please, please tell me where I can get one that is more "the same" for less than about $2500?  If there are some out there I don't know about, clue me in.
Quote dont track as good, or operate as good.

I'm just curious, since you didn't have yours mounted on a rifle for more than two trips to the range, exactly how do you know how well they track and "operate?"
 
im only having an arguement with myself huh? last time i checked you are indeed replying.
 
please do explain in detail what else this scope has in common with a S&B other than MIL offerings.
 
you can get USO's for under $2500, so there you go.
 
i only had the 10X42 which the OP was asking about mounted for two trips to the range before it took a sh*t, who's to say thats the only falcon ive owned? now your putting words in my mouth.
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Originally posted by redneckbmxer24 redneckbmxer24 wrote:

im only having an arguement with myself huh? last time i checked you are indeed replying.

Yes, it's enjoyable watching you slug it out with this strawman you built.  Who will win?     
Quote please do explain in detail what else this scope has in common with a S&B other than MIL offerings.

1)  It's a variable.  If your needs require a variable, "buy a SS" is poor advice.

2)  It's FFP.  In case you don't know what that means, a quick google might help you out.  It will also reveal the sparse selection of lower cost scopes with this feature.

3)  Side focus.  This is the little knob on the left that adjusts parallax.  IOR offers their 2.5-10 in FFP for a very nice price, but it lacks this feature, knocking it off the list for this application.

4)  The reticle similarity goes beyond "mildot offering,"  whatever that means.  Dozens of scopes offer "mildots" but this one is similar enough to the Gen II all the same ranging techniques and familiarity directly apply.  Quite convenient for a practice scope.





You said,
Quote the .1mrad adjustment offering, and mildot offering. there is nothing else the same.

The above shows you to be incorrect.
Quote you can get USO's for under $2500, so there you go.

Not by any significant amount with even basic options.  Regardless, what a dumb answer. 

So you say if one wants a scope with the features above, even for a cheap practice rifle, he needs to buy a USO or better.  I'm sure so many in the market for a Falcon or SS will thank you that very helpful advice.    Roll%20Eyes

Could you miss the point any by farther if you tried?
Quote who's to say thats the only falcon ive owned? now your putting words in my mouth.

No, you put them there:
Originally posted by redneckbmxer24 redneckbmxer24 wrote:

ebayed it. once a scope fails for me, i give it no second chances.

If you'd like to change your story, that's fine.  Please give us details.
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Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Anyway, it's no S&B....it makes an outstanding trainer.

Which word did you not understand?
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