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What is the minimum eye relief you guys have on your hard kickers?  I mounted a millet buck silver 3x9x40 on my 338 win mag.  Not my scope, but since I have no scope, thought I would borrow one.  Don't know the eye relief of this scope, but SWFA site says 3.5.  Not sure if this is the minimum, but that is the only number listed.  Needless to say, I will probably have a bruised eyebrow tomorrow.  
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4" like the zeiss conquest will give you, is a very nice figure although a buddy of mine had a leupold varixII 3x9 on his m700 .338 and never had a problem, but he was an ox too
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The first time I shot it hit me pretty hard.  I thought I might have been too close, but the next time after being as far away as I could, but still seeing the whole sight picture,  I still got hit.  Should have stopped after the first time.  
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Are you saying that I am not an ox, pyro?  
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no im just saying he was damn lucky he didnt get drilled, course i shot that rifle once too and it didnt bite me either so maybe that scope had decent eye relief, what grain bullet were you shooting 225gr?
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250 grain and 72 grains of RL19.  
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after you got hit the 2nd time....... I was thinking of a different animal Loco
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thats a pretty beefy load with the 250gr so im not surprised it kicked pretty good, i would say maybe play with the placement of the scope in the rings maybe move it towards the muzzle if can and see if that helps, if it doesnt you know you will have to get a scope with more than 3.5" of eye relief
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no scope really has optimal eye relief for a heavy, thats why most of the pictures you see of them have the scopes mounted as far forward in the mounts as possible. Then the shooter can bring the head forward, until the safe distance runs out (sometimes requires some trial and error). some scopes certainly work better than others, low range variables in the higher cost bracket.
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Have a 3200, 3x9 on a Savage 116 in 338.  Specs says 3.3" of eye relief and have never been bitten yet.  Could be a function of how I hold the rifle but works for me.
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what do you have on your .375 rum dogger?
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                                 Good on the low range variables!  Been looking over the specs on a bunch of them lately,11 of them to be exact ,and none were under 3.5" on the low end. Most were in the 3.75" range. On the high end none were under 4" with 4 of them ranging from 4.75" to 5.3".  I decided to get a VXlll 1.75-6x32(hopefully from SWFA,waiting for a price match confirmation) with an eye relief range of 3.7"-4.7".  Didn't really need a low range variable due to a recoil problem,just didn't need the high magnification and weight of my Vari-X lll 3.5-10x40AO at 1 1/4 lbs any more!
 
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Iron sights my friend on the RUM.  It is essentially a DGR so if anything might change to peep sights.
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well that doesnt help, i dont blame you though

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i've only been bit by a scope once, and that was because i was holding the gun wrong.  I would think that 3.5" to 4" should be fine for a 338.
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Originally posted by ckk1106 ckk1106 wrote:

What is the minimum eye relief you guys have on your hard kickers?  I mounted a millet buck silver 3x9x40 on my 338 win mag.  Not my scope, but since I have no scope, thought I would borrow one.  Don't know the eye relief of this scope, but SWFA site says 3.5.  Not sure if this is the minimum, but that is the only number listed.  Needless to say, I will probably have a bruised eyebrow tomorrow.  
...........................................For now, I have my 3x9 Elite 4200 with its 3.3" of eye relief sitting on my 375 Ruger! Not been whacked yet!..............Shooting style at the bench is very important. Some are stock crawlers and need more eye relief. Others like me, use a free hand to put downward pressure on the rifle either by pulling the fore-end of the stock down or applying pressure from atop the barrel. That eliminates a some percentage of backward jump and of course is easier on the shoulder!..............It`s all in the technique!!.............Or another alternative? Get a (pu**y) sled, oooops;....a lead sled!! Coffee Coffee time!
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if you apply down pressure your accuracy will suffer
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When I shoot off the bench the forearm is left free floating on a padded rest.  My left hand rests just below the butt at my shoulder.  Have never hand an issue with eye relief 
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i place my off hand under the forearm in case the rifle bucks funny, would hate to see the front half of the rifle eat the bench top.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

if you apply down pressure your accuracy will suffer
.............................................WANNA BET!!!!!?????????? NOT MINE!..... Technique and practice man!!!!Big%20GrinBig%20GrinBig%20GrinBig%20GrinBig%20GrinBig%20Grin
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its physics simply read any article you want on accuracy, fighting the jump will throw you off all day! i dont care what caliber you shoot
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

its physics simply read any article you want on accuracy, fighting the jump will throw you off all day! i dont care what caliber you shoot
...............Like I said............ "wanna bet"???!!!...................Downward pressure and breathing technique go hand in hand! I`ve done it both ways with the 375; the off hand and arm folded with no downward pressure and with downward pressure............No difference in accuracy!.......I`m telling ya; the Squeeeeeezer has it down!!     Ex-squeeze me! Time for more coffee! Coffee
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yeah i will bet you all day long and take your money all day long, you cannnot force that kind of energy down its not possible you can say whatever you want to, i know better you can say technique till your blue in the face and i will tell you it wont matter if you apply opposing force the gun wins all day long and you will throw shots to the side of where you are aiming everytime, thats physics you cant control it i dont care how big you are with a hard kicking gun its counter productive, if you just let it be it will shoot day and night better your messing with physics and harmonics when you try to hold it down.  ever heard of david tubb? i can guarantee you there is a reason he shots with the technique he does with his highpower comp rifle he uses 3 fingers on the forearm, and they apply pressure from the bottom up not top down.

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Would be interesting to hear what technique Mike McDonald uses.  I have seen some of his targets and the man impresses the hell out of me.

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I've had a 1.5-5 Leupold on my .375 H&H for years. It just recently was replaced by a 1.1-4 x24 Kahles. The eye relief is 3.5" and I see no problems with this as I didn't with the Leo. That is unless I get stupid and shoot from prone Wink.

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